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conway caine
2014-10-08 19:49:33 UTC
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Mary
2014-10-09 02:48:08 UTC
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Hi Conway,
Are you getting worried again that the group will dry up? not many people
here these days but still some. But you're still here :)

I was thinking of you a last month when there was a TV preview here on a
channel which shows a lot of British TV and movies that they have are going
to have "Lark Rise to Candleford" program on weekly in Canada.

When I told you before that I watched "Downton Abbey" on TV every week in
Toronto and in the U.S. ,you mentioned you and maybe your wife too, watched
"Lark
Rise to Candleford" every week and I couldn't find it on any channels here.
I think
the series ended in 2011 in the U.S.

It's been on TV for the past month or so on a Canadian TV channel. I saw it
a couple of times and it is OK, but doesn't draw my interest to the drama
and interesting situations of Downton abbey. Season 5 of Downton will be
released in mid November in the UK and released on January 5 on PBS weekly
in U.S. and Canada and I'll be watching it.

Mary


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conway caine
2014-10-11 16:07:47 UTC
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"Mary" wrote in message news:m14phc$3bp$***@speranza.aioe.org...

I was thinking of you a last month when there was a TV preview here on a
channel which shows a lot of British TV and movies that they have are going
to have "Lark Rise to Candleford" program on weekly in Canada.

****The main thing we liked about the show was that it put you into the
middle of a community. The more we watched, the more we felt a part of the
community.
Mary
2014-10-12 06:20:08 UTC
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I was thinking of you a last month when there was a TV preview here on a
channel which shows a lot of British TV and movies that they have are going
to have "Lark Rise to Candleford" program on weekly in Canada.
****The main thing we liked about the show was that it put you into the
middle of a community. The more we watched, the more we felt a part of the
community.
Maybe I will check it out more.
I hadnt seen any posts from you in the last few days. I thought you might
have given up on the group :)

Mary


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conway caine
2014-10-12 17:36:22 UTC
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to have "Lark Rise to Candleford" program on weekly in Canada.
****The main thing we liked about the show was that it put you into the
middle of a community. The more we watched, the more we felt a part of the
community.
Maybe I will check it out more.

***View a few episodes to give the characters time to grow on you. Once you
begin to discover the different personalities and how the characters
interact, you'll be hooked.

I hadnt seen any posts from you in the last few days. I thought you might
have given up on the group :)

***I've been recovering from a colonoscopy and a cortisone shot to my back,
all in the same week. Cortisone, so far, ain't doing squat for me back. The
Hydrocodone, however, is a sovereign cure for spinal stenosis pain. Well,
not exactly a cure but it sharply reduces the discomfort. And it is cheap as
well. Problem now is the government has decided to throw a few logs in the
road for obtaining the drug. I now must trot down to the doctor's office
once a month to get a new prescription. Whatever. I'm retired.
Mary
2014-10-12 19:59:44 UTC
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Post by Mary
to have "Lark Rise to Candleford" program on weekly in Canada.
****The main thing we liked about the show was that it put you into the
middle of a community. The more we watched, the more we felt a part of
the community.
Maybe I will check it out more.
***View a few episodes to give the characters time to grow on you. Once
you begin to discover the different personalities and how the characters
interact, you'll be hooked.
I watch various TV programs, so don't have time for any more, but I will
see. I got hooked on Downton Abbey and even bought Seasons 1-4 on DVD. Now
waiting for Season 5 in Jan. I have a large collection of DVD movies Ive
collected through the years. I'm a movie bug. More older movies. Not much
interested in movies they make today.
Post by Mary
I hadnt seen any posts from you in the last few days. I thought you might
have given up on the group :)
***I've been recovering from a colonoscopy and a cortisone shot to my
back, all in the same week. Cortisone, so far, ain't doing squat for me
back. The Hydrocodone, however, is a sovereign cure for spinal stenosis
pain. Well, not exactly a cure but it sharply reduces the discomfort. And
it is cheap as well. Problem now is the government has decided to throw a
few logs in the road for obtaining the drug. I now must trot down to the
doctor's office once a month to get a new prescription. Whatever. I'm
retired.
I had a colonscopy once about 9 years ago and it's no picnic. A while back,
my arthritis doctor gave me a cortisone shot in the knee but it didnt' do
anything. He retired about a year ago, which was too bad. He was very
nice.Not all doctors are as nice as him. I had a colonoscopy 9 years ago and
hope I never have it done again. The preparation the night before got to me,
plus after the colonscopy I had a lot of pain in my intestines. But
sometimes has to be done. If the hydrocodone helps a lot, it would be worth
going to the doctors office once a month for a new prescription.You must be
relieved the colonscopy test is over. Ughhh...

Mary


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conway caine
2014-10-14 19:13:35 UTC
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"Mary" wrote in message news:m1ej4t$9k3$***@speranza.aioe.org...

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I had a colonoscopy 9 years ago and
hope I never have it done again.

*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far your best
bet against colon cancer.
Mary
2014-10-14 20:30:13 UTC
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"
I had a colonoscopy 9 years ago and
hope I never have it done again.
*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far your
best bet against colon cancer.
It is the most accurate test. They have a test here in Ontario which is not
as thorough as colonoscopy but it shows up
possible colon problems. You can get a kit from your doctor and send a small
sample in the mail to a laboratory and results are sent to you and your
doctor. if anything suspicious go for a colonscopy. Or go for one anyway if
you want to be sure.

Mary


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conway caine
2014-10-16 13:32:52 UTC
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*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far your
best bet against colon cancer.
It is the most accurate test. They have a test here in Ontario which is not
as thorough as colonoscopy but it shows up
possible colon problems. You can get a kit from your doctor and send a small
sample in the mail to a laboratory and results are sent to you and your
doctor. if anything suspicious go for a colonscopy. Or go for one anyway if
you want to be sure.

Mary

****Are you talking about stool samples which are tested for blood? If so,
I'm back to my sound advice that you continue to schedule regular
colonoscopies.
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2014-10-16 22:15:44 UTC
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*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far your
best bet against colon cancer.
It is the most accurate test. They have a test here in Ontario which is not
as thorough as colonoscopy but it shows up
possible colon problems. You can get a kit from your doctor and send a small
sample in the mail to a laboratory and results are sent to you and your
doctor. if anything suspicious go for a colonscopy. Or go for one anyway if
you want to be sure.
Mary
****Are you talking about stool samples which are tested for blood? If so,
I'm back to my sound advice that you continue to schedule regular
colonoscopies.
Take it from Conway, a man who knows all about shit. Most of it comes out of his mouth though.
conway caine
2014-10-17 12:33:34 UTC
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Take it from Conway, a man who knows all about shit. Most of it comes out of
his mouth though.

****I always look forwafrd to an encuraging word from dear auld Heid......
Mary
2014-10-17 17:25:15 UTC
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*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far your
best bet against colon cancer.
It is the most accurate test. They have a test here in Ontario which is not
as thorough as colonoscopy but it shows up
possible colon problems. You can get a kit from your doctor and send a small
sample in the mail to a laboratory and results are sent to you and your
doctor. if anything suspicious go for a colonscopy. Or go for one anyway if
you want to be sure.
Mary
****Are you talking about stool samples which are tested for blood? If so,
I'm back to my sound advice that you continue to schedule regular
colonoscopies.
Yes, the stool samples are tested for signs of cancer or polyps . It is more
of a check to see obvious signs of something wrong in the colon and can be
done if its not 10 years since you had a colonscopy. The recommendation for
colonoscopy is every 10 years if you have no high risk problems like if
mother or father or immediate family had colon cancer or other colon
problems. Its not 10 years since I had a colonscopy. You can also have a
sigmoidoscopy which can tell a lot about the lower colon and not as invasive
as colonscopy.

Mary


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JeffreyHamilton
2014-10-21 04:57:09 UTC
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*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far
your best bet against colon cancer.
It is the most accurate test. They have a test here in Ontario which is not
as thorough as colonoscopy but it shows up
possible colon problems. You can get a kit from your doctor and send a small
sample in the mail to a laboratory and results are sent to you and
your doctor. if anything suspicious go for a colonscopy. Or go for
one anyway if
you want to be sure.
Mary
****Are you talking about stool samples which are tested for blood?
If so, I'm back to my sound advice that you continue to schedule
regular colonoscopies.
Yes, the stool samples are tested for signs of cancer or polyps . It
is more of a check to see obvious signs of something wrong in the colon
and
can be done if its not 10 years since you had a colonscopy. The
recommendation for colonoscopy is every 10 years if you have no high risk
problems like
if mother or father or immediate family had colon cancer or other colon
problems. Its not 10 years since I had a colonscopy. You can also
have a sigmoidoscopy which can tell a lot about the lower colon and not as
invasive as colonscopy.
Mary
My specialist recommends every five years and every other year a "smear
test". I guess I'm in a high-risk category because my mothers father died of
it at age 83. Evidently his rectal bleeding was thought to be hemorrhoids by
his aged physician and thus the cancer had much time to spread.

cheers....Jeff
Mary
2014-10-21 22:05:52 UTC
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*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far
your best bet against colon cancer.
It is the most accurate test. They have a test here in Ontario which is not
as thorough as colonoscopy but it shows up
possible colon problems. You can get a kit from your doctor and send a small
sample in the mail to a laboratory and results are sent to you and
your doctor. if anything suspicious go for a colonscopy. Or go for
one anyway if
you want to be sure.
Mary
****Are you talking about stool samples which are tested for blood?
If so, I'm back to my sound advice that you continue to schedule
regular colonoscopies.
Yes, the stool samples are tested for signs of cancer or polyps . It
is more of a check to see obvious signs of something wrong in the colon
and
can be done if its not 10 years since you had a colonscopy. The
recommendation for colonoscopy is every 10 years if you have no high risk
problems like
if mother or father or immediate family had colon cancer or other colon
problems. Its not 10 years since I had a colonscopy. You can also
have a sigmoidoscopy which can tell a lot about the lower colon and not as
invasive as colonscopy.
Mary
My specialist recommends every five years and every other year a "smear
test". I guess I'm in a high-risk category because my mothers father died
of it at age 83. Evidently his rectal bleeding was thought to be
hemorrhoids by his aged physician and thus the cancer had much time to
spread.
It's best to go along with what your gastroenterologist recommends. Your
mothers father could have had colon cancer for quite a few years. Colon
cancer is said to be a slow growing cancer which makes it more dangerous.

BTW, how are you feeling now that it's been quite a while since your
surgery? I still have same problems with my knee and hip. I've had other
issues to deal with so havent done anything about it and don't know when I
will. Last Fall my rheumatologist retired which I didn't know till I went to
his office when in his area, to make appointment last fall. His receptionist
said the doctor will only be here for another week and only taking a few
appointments- which was not me. I would have thought at some point the
receptionist or somebody would have let me know he was retiring as Ive gone
to him for about 7 years. He was a very good doctor. It's difficult to
replace very good doctors.



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conway caine
2014-10-22 18:15:01 UTC
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"Mary" wrote in message news:m26hsm$kcr$***@speranza.aioe.org...
"JeffreyHamilton" <***@cogeco.ca> wrote in message

***I had my third cortisone shot yesterday (two at L5- didn't do squat) and
now two at L3. So far the pain has lessened considerably. The doctor and I
will consider a third shot in the next few weeks in hopes of wrapping things
up. Then, if all continues well, on to an annual booster shot-if needed. It
is so nice walking abut the house without lurching, wincing, and holding on
tp furniture.
Mary
2014-10-23 02:53:39 UTC
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***I had my third cortisone shot yesterday (two at L5- didn't do squat)
and now two at L3. So far the pain has lessened considerably. The doctor
and I will consider a third shot in the next few weeks in hopes of
wrapping things up. Then, if all continues well, on to an annual booster
shot-if needed. It is so nice walking abut the house without lurching,
wincing, and holding on tp furniture.
I know the feeling of lurching and wincing. Not good!. It's good the
cortisone shot helps the pain. I had a cortisone shot in my knee a couple of
years ago but it had no effect so I didn't get any more after that. .

Mary


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conway caine
2014-10-23 17:35:10 UTC
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"Mary" wrote in message news:m26hsm$kcr$***@speranza.aioe.org...


BTW, how are you feeling now that it's been quite a while since your
surgery? I still have same problems with my knee and hip.

***That was my dear wife what had the hip surgery. She is now back to
normal, barring the occasional pop and grind of her metal hip device. "To be
expected" says her surgeon.
Mary
2014-10-23 23:34:08 UTC
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BTW, how are you feeling now that it's been quite a while since your
surgery? I still have same problems with my knee and hip.
***That was my dear wife what had the hip surgery. She is now back to
normal, barring the occasional pop and grind of her metal hip device. "To
be expected" says her surgeon.
Things got a bit mixed up above. I was asking Jeffrey above how he was
feeling since his surgery and said I still have same problems with my knee
and hip and Jeffrey replied to me about it on another post. But on the top
of the post I sent which you quote above, it said Conway Caine like it does
to identify who the message originated, but somehow you thought I was asking
you. Oh well, doesn't matter now.

I remember your wife had hip surgery. I am glad to hear she is back to
normal with an occasional pop and grind. I have read that can happen
sometimes with hip replacements. I should have hip replacement but it comes
and goes. Most people who have had it say its a long rehabilitation period
which I don't fancy. It's better if you have a lot of support people after
surgery I am sure..



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conway caine
2014-10-24 15:00:02 UTC
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"Mary" wrote in message news:m2bvqd$pde$***@speranza.aioe.org...
"conway caine" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

Most people who have had it say its a long rehabilitation period
which I don't fancy.

***About six months for my wife's total recovery.
Mary
2014-10-24 18:48:03 UTC
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Most people who have had it say its a long rehabilitation period which I
don't fancy.
***About six months for my wife's total recovery.
That is probably the amount of time many or maybe even most people take
depending on the persons over-all health I guess. Some take less time, but
maybe it's best to think in terms of 6 months if it's less, it's a bonus.
Also, your wife had you to look after her which I'm sure helped her recovery
a lot :)


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conway caine
2014-10-26 17:54:22 UTC
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"Mary" wrote in message news:m2e3dt$ddg$***@speranza.aioe.org...
"conway caine" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

Also, your wife had you to look after her which I'm sure helped her recovery
a lot :)

*****Somehow, I doubt that as she watched her normally well run household
descend into chaos......
Fred J. McCall
2014-10-26 17:59:30 UTC
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Also, your wife had you to look after her which I'm sure helped her recovery
a lot :)
*****Somehow, I doubt that as she watched her normally well run household
descend into chaos......
And stopping that slide isn't a good incentive for her to get better?
:-)
--
"Then tomorrow we may all be dead. But how is that different
from every other day?"
-- Morpheus
conway caine
2014-11-04 17:07:51 UTC
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Also, your wife had you to look after her which I'm sure helped her recovery
a lot :)
*****Somehow, I doubt that as she watched her normally well run household
descend into chaos......
And stopping that slide isn't a good incentive for her to get better?
:-)

***Ah, you've uncovered my hidden agenda.....
conway caine
2014-10-21 15:26:43 UTC
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"Mary" wrote in message news:m1rfua$vrj$***@speranza.aioe.org...

Yes, the stool samples are tested for signs of cancer or polyps . It is more
of a check to see obvious signs of something wrong in the colon and can be
done if its not 10 years since you had a colonscopy. The recommendation for
colonoscopy is every 10 years if you have no high risk problems like if
mother or father or immediate family had colon cancer or other colon
problems. Its not 10 years since I had a colonscopy. You can also have a
sigmoidoscopy which can tell a lot about the lower colon and not as invasive
as colonscopy.

******Did you have polyps removed during your procedure? Normally, if Polyps
are present, they recommend a colonoscopy every three years otherwise every
five.
Mary
2014-10-21 19:48:51 UTC
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Yes, the stool samples are tested for signs of cancer or polyps . It is more
of a check to see obvious signs of something wrong in the colon and can be
done if its not 10 years since you had a colonscopy. The recommendation for
colonoscopy is every 10 years if you have no high risk problems like if
mother or father or immediate family had colon cancer or other colon
problems. Its not 10 years since I had a colonscopy. You can also have a
sigmoidoscopy which can tell a lot about the lower colon and not as invasive
as colonscopy.
******Did you have polyps removed during your procedure? Normally, if
Polyps are present, they recommend a colonoscopy every three years
otherwise every five.
No, I did not have any polyps. If you have polyps, the time frame for having
another colonscopy can vary according to your physician's recommendation..

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79466

Most gastroenterologists, Mayo Clinic and Clevelend clinic and most other
sources recommend a colonoscopy every 10 years if not a high risk. If you
have genetic or other factors, your gastroenterologist would advise you.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/18444-should-one-colonoscopy/
Journal of American Medical Asssoc. does not recommend colonscopy after age
80, as there can be risks.





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conway caine
2014-10-22 18:10:07 UTC
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******Did you have polyps removed during your procedure? Normally, if
Polyps are present, they recommend a colonoscopy every three years
otherwise every five.
No, I did not have any polyps. If you have polyps, the time frame for having
another colonscopy can vary according to your physician's recommendation..

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79466

Most gastroenterologists, Mayo Clinic and Clevelend clinic and most other
sources recommend a colonoscopy every 10 years if not a high risk. If you
have genetic or other factors, your gastroenterologist would advise you.

****Ten years? Most medical sites I have visited indicates it takes, on
average, ten years for a polyp to turn cancerous, sometimes less. Thus the
maximum time recommended between colonoscopies is five years. Suck it up,
Mary. Drink the foul tasting gallon of poo juice and hie thee to thy butt
doctor every five years. As to no colonoscopies after age eighty, would you
really want to risk colon cancer at age ninety? And can you say with any
degree of certainty you'll not live till ninety? But let me add, it is a
blessing you've no polyps. (end of cheap medical advice)
Mary
2014-10-22 20:38:41 UTC
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******Did you have polyps removed during your procedure? Normally, if
Polyps are present, they recommend a colonoscopy every three years
otherwise every five.
No, I did not have any polyps. If you have polyps, the time frame for having
another colonscopy can vary according to your physician's recommendation..
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79466
Most gastroenterologists, Mayo Clinic and Clevelend clinic and most other
sources recommend a colonoscopy every 10 years if not a high risk. If you
have genetic or other factors, your gastroenterologist would advise you.
****Ten years? Most medical sites I have visited indicates it takes, on
average, ten years for a polyp to turn cancerous, sometimes less. Thus the
maximum time recommended between colonoscopies is five years.
I don't think so. Where did you get the infromation that a colonscopy for
someone who has had a colonscopy in the past and no risks have been found
that they have to get another colonscopy in 5 years? Maybe its 5 years in
some cases such as if you are high risk or have had a colonscopy before and
they found a polyp, but

Suck it up,
Post by Mary
Mary. Drink the foul tasting gallon of poo juice and hie thee to thy butt
doctor every five years. As to no colonoscopies after age eighty, would
you really want to risk colon cancer at age ninety? And can you say with
any degree of certainty you'll not live till ninety? But let me add, it is
a blessing you've no polyps. (end of cheap medical advice)
Even if the find polyps which is not often the case, they are not always
cancerous and it depends on the size of them. If they are very small, they
may be removed during the colonscopy but may not be recommended to have
another colonscopy till another 10 years. Also, how often you have a
colonscopy or sigmoidoscopy depends on the recommendation of your
gastroenterologist. They know your medical history and are specialists
trained in colon problems
If your gastro says get another colonscopy in 10 years or 5 years, follow by
his advice.

Two fine U.S. medical institutiions below and if you read the information
about how often to get a colonscopy, both say 10 years but that is if you
are average with NO risks. If risks, of course it is different - can be a
few months maybe more or maybe less time, if there are risks.

http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/alerts/colon_cancer/JohnsHopkinsColonCancerHealthAlert_2671-1.html#read

http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/colonoscopy/basics/results/prc-20013624




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conway caine
2014-10-23 17:41:16 UTC
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****Ten years? Most medical sites I have visited indicates it takes, on
average, ten years for a polyp to turn cancerous, sometimes less. Thus the
maximum time recommended between colonoscopies is five years.
I don't think so. Where did you get the infromation that a colonscopy for
someone who has had a colonscopy in the past and no risks have been found
that they have to get another colonscopy in 5 years? Maybe its 5 years in
some cases such as if you are high risk or have had a colonscopy before and
they found a polyp, but

****My butt doctor, supported by several medical sites whose names I cannot
remember. Seems like Mayo Clinic may have been one of them.
Anyway, I view with suspicion any and all recommendations made after the
"Affordable" Care Act came in to being. Example: the PSA test which has
saved countless lives since it was developed, is now preached against. "Let
the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the current
mindset.
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:41:16 -0400, "conway caine"
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Post by conway caine
****Ten years? Most medical sites I have visited indicates it takes, on
average, ten years for a polyp to turn cancerous, sometimes less. Thus the
maximum time recommended between colonoscopies is five years.
I don't think so. Where did you get the infromation that a colonscopy for
someone who has had a colonscopy in the past and no risks have been found
that they have to get another colonscopy in 5 years? Maybe its 5 years in
some cases such as if you are high risk or have had a colonscopy before and
they found a polyp, but
****My butt doctor, supported by several medical sites whose names I cannot
remember. Seems like Mayo Clinic may have been one of them.
Anyway, I view with suspicion any and all recommendations made after the
"Affordable" Care Act came in to being. Example: the PSA test which has
saved countless lives since it was developed, is now preached against. "Let
the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the current
mindset.
Too many doctors!!
I listened to an interview on the radio. I haven't a clue who the lady
was, she writes books and was originally from England but living in
America for a long time. She felt a bit sick and run down so she went
to the doctor, he said she was depressed and gave her some anti
depressants. The anti depressants didn't help, but she had to pay for
the consultations and medicines anyway. Then she was referred to
another doctor who diagnosed bi polar disorder and gave sorry sold her
some anti psychotic medicines. It wasn't long before she was knocked
out dumified and almost totally bed-bound. One last chance she went to
see an entirely different doctor 3rd time lucky, simple and
inexpensive blood test revealed that she had lymes disease. Bad for
her some organ damage had already occured because of the failure of
the other two doctors to diagnose the condition.

If a plumber makes a blunder he gets wet
If an electrician makes a blunder he kills himself
If your doctor makes a blunder he kills you.
Yet people hold their plumber to account before they hold their doctor
to account..
Your doctor is not your friend, you are just his wage fodder, if he
gets it right or gets it wrong he still gets paid.

max.it (the orange cage)
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****Ten years? Most medical sites I have visited indicates it takes, on
average, ten years for a polyp to turn cancerous, sometimes less. Thus the
maximum time recommended between colonoscopies is five years.
I don't think so. Where did you get the infromation that a colonscopy for
someone who has had a colonscopy in the past and no risks have been found
that they have to get another colonscopy in 5 years? Maybe its 5 years in
some cases such as if you are high risk or have had a colonscopy before and
they found a polyp, but
****My butt doctor, supported by several medical sites whose names I
cannot remember. Seems like Mayo Clinic may have been one of them.
Mayo Clinic recommends 10 years. Right at the top of the article in link
below wich I posted the other day it says "if you are an average risk for
colon cancer, your doctor may recommend waiting 10 years then repeat the
exam. It gives some other wait times for various risks and situations.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/colonoscopy/basics/results/prc-20013624
Post by Mary
Anyway, I view with suspicion any and all recommendations made after the
"Affordable" Care Act came in to being. Example: the PSA test which has
saved countless lives since it was developed, is now preached against.
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.


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Anyway, I view with suspicion any and all recommendations made after the
"Affordable" Care Act came in to being. Example: the PSA test which has
saved countless lives since it was developed, is now preached against.
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.

*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
Mary
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Anyway, I view with suspicion any and all recommendations made after the
"Affordable" Care Act came in to being. Example: the PSA test which has
saved countless lives since it was developed, is now preached against.
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
I hope not. "Old geezers" are important too.


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Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free health care isn't one of them.
Mary
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Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
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Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.

There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
--
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happy camper."
-- Alan Shore, "Boston Legal"
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Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
You mean we already paid by having high taxes?. taxes have always been high
here.
If you were to need to stay in hospital for several weeks after a car
accident or some serious illness, it would cost you more than $15.00.
Post by Fred J. McCall
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Prices for medical treatment in the U.S. is much higher than in Canada. If
we go to the U.S. we have to take out medical insurance because prices per
day for hospital care is much higher than in Canada and if you don't take
any medical insurance before you go, you could owe thousands of dollars in
medical costs. I never go to the U.S. without buying comprehensive medical
insurance.
Isn't there a reasonably priced medical plan in the U.S. for residents over
65?



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Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
You mean we already paid by having high taxes?. taxes have always been high
here.
But higher after they started paying for all that health care for you
than before. And that's the truth of it. SOMEBODY pays for 'free'
stuff.
Post by Mary
If you were to need to stay in hospital for several weeks after a car
accident or some serious illness, it would cost you more than $15.00.
Well, it'll cost me a lot more next year, thanks to the 'Affordable'
Care Act. And it'll probably STILL cost me less than what you pay in
taxes for your 'free' health care, unless you're one of the luck folks
on the 'receive' side of that equation...
Post by Mary
Post by Fred J. McCall
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Prices for medical treatment in the U.S. is much higher than in Canada.
Of course they are. Because we help subsidize Canadian health care
with higher drug prices here.
Post by Mary
If
we go to the U.S. we have to take out medical insurance because prices per
day for hospital care is much higher than in Canada and if you don't take
any medical insurance before you go, you could owe thousands of dollars in
medical costs. I never go to the U.S. without buying comprehensive medical
insurance.
Isn't there a reasonably priced medical plan in the U.S. for residents over
65?
Yep. And we spend our whole working lives paying for that. I'd
probably be better off if they'd just let me keep the money and buy my
own insurance when I'm 65. We also have coverage for folks who are
poor, which gets paid for by the rest of us out of the general revenue
fund. Most of the rest of us get insurance through employers.
Somewhere between 80%-85% of Americans have always had medical
insurance coverage. All the money spent on the ACA and all the
expense for those of us who already had insurance has only increased
those numbers by 2%-3%.
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-- Charles Pinckney
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2014-11-08 18:38:46 UTC
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Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to
be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
You mean we already paid by having high taxes?. taxes have always been high
here.
But higher after they started paying for all that health care for you
than before. And that's the truth of it. SOMEBODY pays for 'free'
stuff.
Everything is higher in any country than it used to be. We've had public
medicare since the 1950's.
The UK has a very good public health care plan, so do several European
countries like Switzerland and France.
The US has the highest costs of medical care in the whole world. Just one
example. there are many others saying the same thing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/17/health-care-costs_n_5160819.html
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
If you were to need to stay in hospital for several weeks after a car
accident or some serious illness, it would cost you more than $15.00.
Well, it'll cost me a lot more next year, thanks to the 'Affordable'
Care Act. And it'll probably STILL cost me less than what you pay in
taxes for your 'free' health care, unless you're one of the luck folks
on the 'receive' side of that equation...
Many countries in the world besides Canada have Public Health Care, probably
some countries have better health care than Canada.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
Post by Fred J. McCall
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Prices for medical treatment in the U.S. is much higher than in Canada.
Of course they are. Because we help subsidize Canadian health care
with higher drug prices here.
Where would you get that idea? Tax payers in Canada and the Canadian
government subsidize Canadian health care.
Our government have agreements with many drug companies to buy in bulk so
its cheaper.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
If
we go to the U.S. we have to take out medical insurance because prices per
day for hospital care is much higher than in Canada and if you don't take
any medical insurance before you go, you could owe thousands of dollars in
medical costs. I never go to the U.S. without buying comprehensive medical
insurance.
Isn't there a reasonably priced medical plan in the U.S. for residents over
65?
Yep. And we spend our whole working lives paying for that. I'd
probably be better off if they'd just let me keep the money and buy my
own insurance when I'm 65. We also have coverage for folks who are
poor, which gets paid for by the rest of us out of the general revenue
fund. Most of the rest of us get insurance through employers.
Somewhere between 80%-85% of Americans have always had medical
insurance coverage. All the money spent on the ACA and all the
expense for those of us who already had insurance has only increased
those numbers by 2%-3%.
Many sources say there is 44 million people in the U.S. with no medical
insurance and 38 million don't have adequate.
http://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html


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Post by Mary
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Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to
be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
You mean we already paid by having high taxes?. taxes have always been high
here.
But higher after they started paying for all that health care for you
than before. And that's the truth of it. SOMEBODY pays for 'free'
stuff.
Everything is higher in any country than it used to be. We've had public
medicare since the 1950's.
I'm not talking about 'normal' cost inflation. Can you seriously
believe that you're not paying for that health care?
Post by Mary
The UK has a very good public health care plan, so do several European
countries like Switzerland and France.
How nice for them. If we want them, we know where to find them.
Post by Mary
The US has the highest costs of medical care in the whole world. Just one
example. there are many others saying the same thing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/17/health-care-costs_n_5160819.html
Are you ever going to tell me something I don't already know in your
attempts to defend public health systems? Part of the reason we have
such high costs is that we're subsidizing things for the rest of you;
to cover costs you refuse to pay.
Post by Mary
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
If you were to need to stay in hospital for several weeks after a car
accident or some serious illness, it would cost you more than $15.00.
Well, it'll cost me a lot more next year, thanks to the 'Affordable'
Care Act. And it'll probably STILL cost me less than what you pay in
taxes for your 'free' health care, unless you're one of the luck folks
on the 'receive' side of that equation...
Many countries in the world besides Canada have Public Health Care, probably
some countries have better health care than Canada.
And we know where to find those countries if we want them.
Post by Mary
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
Post by Fred J. McCall
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Prices for medical treatment in the U.S. is much higher than in Canada.
Of course they are. Because we help subsidize Canadian health care
with higher drug prices here.
Where would you get that idea? Tax payers in Canada and the Canadian
government subsidize Canadian health care.
Go look up what 'subsidize' means. The Canadian government subsidizes
(some) health care RECIPIENTS. That's not the same thing at all as
"subsidize health care".
Post by Mary
Our government have agreements with many drug companies to buy in bulk so
its cheaper.
Your government has a mafioso "offer you can't refuse" with
pharmaceutical companies, where the Canadian government told them they
could either meet the price Canada was willing to offer or the
Canadian government would violate their patents and make the stuff
itself. Who do you think covers all those research costs that
countries like Canada don't?

You cannot seriously believe the price difference for drugs is just
'buying in bulk'.
Post by Mary
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
If
we go to the U.S. we have to take out medical insurance because prices per
day for hospital care is much higher than in Canada and if you don't take
any medical insurance before you go, you could owe thousands of dollars in
medical costs. I never go to the U.S. without buying comprehensive medical
insurance.
Isn't there a reasonably priced medical plan in the U.S. for residents over
65?
Yep. And we spend our whole working lives paying for that. I'd
probably be better off if they'd just let me keep the money and buy my
own insurance when I'm 65. We also have coverage for folks who are
poor, which gets paid for by the rest of us out of the general revenue
fund. Most of the rest of us get insurance through employers.
Somewhere between 80%-85% of Americans have always had medical
insurance coverage. All the money spent on the ACA and all the
expense for those of us who already had insurance has only increased
those numbers by 2%-3%.
Many sources say there is 44 million people in the U.S. with no medical
insurance and 38 million don't have adequate.
http://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html
Let me see here 44/319 = 13.8%. So 86.2% have insurance. Now go look
at what I said, above. Note that half or more of those folks without
insurance are illegal immigrants.

It also depends on what you call "no insurance" and "adequate
insurance". Lots of people don't carry insurance by choice because
they're young and healthy and paying into an insurance pool is a
losing proposition for them. Same with a lot of those folks without
"adequate" insurance. They carry catastrophic illness insurance only
by choice.

All those people (except for the illegal immigrants) will be FINED for
not having insurance under the 'Affordable' Care Act. Many of them
will pay the fine rather than get insurance because it costs less than
the 'affordable' insurance that they don't need.

We were better off before ObamaCare...
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-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
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Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to
be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
You mean we already paid by having high taxes?. taxes have always been high
here.
But higher after they started paying for all that health care for you
than before. And that's the truth of it. SOMEBODY pays for 'free'
stuff.
Everything is higher in any country than it used to be. We've had public
medicare since the 1950's.
The UK has a very good public health care plan,
"Plan" ?
Post by Mary
so do several European
countries like Switzerland and France.
The US has the highest costs of medical care in the whole world. Just one
example. there are many others saying the same thing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/17/health-care-costs_n_5160819.html
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
If you were to need to stay in hospital for several weeks after a car
accident or some serious illness, it would cost you more than $15.00.
Well, it'll cost me a lot more next year, thanks to the 'Affordable'
Care Act. And it'll probably STILL cost me less than what you pay in
taxes for your 'free' health care, unless you're one of the luck folks
on the 'receive' side of that equation...
Many countries in the world besides Canada have Public Health Care, probably
some countries have better health care than Canada.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
Post by Fred J. McCall
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Prices for medical treatment in the U.S. is much higher than in Canada.
Of course they are. Because we help subsidize Canadian health care
with higher drug prices here.
Where would you get that idea? Tax payers in Canada and the Canadian
government subsidize Canadian health care.
Our government have agreements with many drug companies to buy in bulk so
its cheaper.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by Mary
If
we go to the U.S. we have to take out medical insurance because prices per
day for hospital care is much higher than in Canada and if you don't take
any medical insurance before you go, you could owe thousands of dollars in
medical costs. I never go to the U.S. without buying comprehensive medical
insurance.
Isn't there a reasonably priced medical plan in the U.S. for residents over
65?
Yep. And we spend our whole working lives paying for that. I'd
probably be better off if they'd just let me keep the money and buy my
own insurance when I'm 65. We also have coverage for folks who are
poor, which gets paid for by the rest of us out of the general revenue
fund. Most of the rest of us get insurance through employers.
Somewhere between 80%-85% of Americans have always had medical
insurance coverage. All the money spent on the ACA and all the
expense for those of us who already had insurance has only increased
those numbers by 2%-3%.
Many sources say there is 44 million people in the U.S. with no medical
insurance and 38 million don't have adequate.
http://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html
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Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
--
"Yet here I sit, years of evildoing under my belt, and still a
happy camper."
-- Alan Shore, "Boston Legal"
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.

Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.

You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.

So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.

What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.

Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
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Post by Mary
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.
And yet it does. The following indicates you have zero clue about how
health insurance works.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.
Those are a big part of the people in the US who don't have health
insurance because it's a losing proposition for them. Part of
ObamaCare is an attempt to FORCE them to buy insurance (because that
will subsidize sicker people in the insurance pool). Unfortunately
the size of the fine that can be levied is less than the overpriced
insurance that ObamaCare has led to, so what we'll really get is an
extra government tax on the healthy.
Post by g***@gmail.com
You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.
So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.
What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.
You think premiums for health insurance are set by individual? What
planet do you live on?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?
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Post by Mary
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Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.
And yet it does. The following indicates you have zero clue about how
health insurance works.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.
Those are a big part of the people in the US who don't have health
insurance because it's a losing proposition for them. Part of
ObamaCare is an attempt to FORCE them to buy insurance (because that
will subsidize sicker people in the insurance pool). Unfortunately
the size of the fine that can be levied is less than the overpriced
insurance that ObamaCare has led to, so what we'll really get is an
extra government tax on the healthy.
Post by g***@gmail.com
You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.
So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.
What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.
You think premiums for health insurance are set by individual? What
planet do you live on?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice). When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.


- in 2005 it was reported that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. and then just a couple weeks ago the american journal of medicine said the same thing holds true.
posted by nadawi at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009


I recall seeing at least one example in the excellent Frontline episode "Sick Around America," which you can watch online.
posted by dhammond at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009 [1 favorite]


Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study released today by the American Journal of Medicine.
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"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.
And yet it does. The following indicates you have zero clue about how
health insurance works.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.
Those are a big part of the people in the US who don't have health
insurance because it's a losing proposition for them. Part of
ObamaCare is an attempt to FORCE them to buy insurance (because that
will subsidize sicker people in the insurance pool). Unfortunately
the size of the fine that can be levied is less than the overpriced
insurance that ObamaCare has led to, so what we'll really get is an
extra government tax on the healthy.
Post by g***@gmail.com
You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.
So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.
What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.
You think premiums for health insurance are set by individual? What
planet do you live on?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?
Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice). When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
So you're going to just gloss right over your having said something
that was foolishly incorrect, then? OK. Then let's agree that
private insurance IN YOUR COUNTRY is screwed up.
Post by g***@gmail.com
- in 2005 it was reported that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. and then just a couple weeks ago the american journal of medicine said the same thing holds true.
posted by nadawi at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009
I recall seeing at least one example in the excellent Frontline episode "Sick Around America," which you can watch online.
posted by dhammond at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009 [1 favorite]
Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study released today by the American Journal of Medicine.
No self-interest there at all...

'Linked to medical expenses' merely means that they HAD medical
expenses.
--
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territory."
--G. Behn
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Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.
And yet it does. The following indicates you have zero clue about how
health insurance works.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.
Those are a big part of the people in the US who don't have health
insurance because it's a losing proposition for them. Part of
ObamaCare is an attempt to FORCE them to buy insurance (because that
will subsidize sicker people in the insurance pool). Unfortunately
the size of the fine that can be levied is less than the overpriced
insurance that ObamaCare has led to, so what we'll really get is an
extra government tax on the healthy.
Post by g***@gmail.com
You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.
So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.
What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.
You think premiums for health insurance are set by individual? What
planet do you live on?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?
Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice). When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
So you're going to just gloss right over your having said something
that was foolishly incorrect, then? OK. Then let's agree that
private insurance IN YOUR COUNTRY is screwed up.
Post by g***@gmail.com
- in 2005 it was reported that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. and then just a couple weeks ago the american journal of medicine said the same thing holds true.
posted by nadawi at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009
I recall seeing at least one example in the excellent Frontline episode "Sick Around America," which you can watch online.
posted by dhammond at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009 [1 favorite]
Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study released today by the American Journal of Medicine.
No self-interest there at all...
'Linked to medical expenses' merely means that they HAD medical
expenses.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Look it cannot work if you get real sick (unless you are rich). You know that ,we all know that.

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"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.
And yet it does. The following indicates you have zero clue about how
health insurance works.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.
Those are a big part of the people in the US who don't have health
insurance because it's a losing proposition for them. Part of
ObamaCare is an attempt to FORCE them to buy insurance (because that
will subsidize sicker people in the insurance pool). Unfortunately
the size of the fine that can be levied is less than the overpriced
insurance that ObamaCare has led to, so what we'll really get is an
extra government tax on the healthy.
Post by g***@gmail.com
You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.
So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.
What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.
You think premiums for health insurance are set by individual? What
planet do you live on?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?
Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice). When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
So you're going to just gloss right over your having said something
that was foolishly incorrect, then? OK. Then let's agree that
private insurance IN YOUR COUNTRY is screwed up.
Post by g***@gmail.com
- in 2005 it was reported that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. and then just a couple weeks ago the american journal of medicine said the same thing holds true.
posted by nadawi at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009
I recall seeing at least one example in the excellent Frontline episode "Sick Around America," which you can watch online.
posted by dhammond at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009 [1 favorite]
Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study released today by the American Journal of Medicine.
No self-interest there at all...
'Linked to medical expenses' merely means that they HAD medical
expenses.
Look it cannot work if you get real sick (unless you are rich). You know that ,we all know that.
Any time anyone says "and you know it" in the course of a discussion,
they've admitted to themselves that they cannot support their position
and have elected to engage in intellectual dishonesty.

Your admission of defeat is accepted.
--
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What you do
When it counts.
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Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.
And yet it does. The following indicates you have zero clue about how
health insurance works.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.
Those are a big part of the people in the US who don't have health
insurance because it's a losing proposition for them. Part of
ObamaCare is an attempt to FORCE them to buy insurance (because that
will subsidize sicker people in the insurance pool). Unfortunately
the size of the fine that can be levied is less than the overpriced
insurance that ObamaCare has led to, so what we'll really get is an
extra government tax on the healthy.
Post by g***@gmail.com
You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.
So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.
What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.
You think premiums for health insurance are set by individual? What
planet do you live on?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?
Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice). When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
So you're going to just gloss right over your having said something
that was foolishly incorrect, then? OK. Then let's agree that
private insurance IN YOUR COUNTRY is screwed up.
Post by g***@gmail.com
- in 2005 it was reported that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. and then just a couple weeks ago the american journal of medicine said the same thing holds true.
posted by nadawi at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009
I recall seeing at least one example in the excellent Frontline episode "Sick Around America," which you can watch online.
posted by dhammond at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009 [1 favorite]
Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study released today by the American Journal of Medicine.
No self-interest there at all...
'Linked to medical expenses' merely means that they HAD medical
expenses.
Look it cannot work if you get real sick (unless you are rich). You know that ,we all know that.
Any time anyone says "and you know it" in the course of a discussion,
they've admitted to themselves that they cannot support their position
and have elected to engage in intellectual dishonesty.
Your admission of defeat is accepted.
--
You are
What you do
When it counts.
Fred, you seem to be points scoring, I am only presenting facts. I could care less what your selfish friends want in the US. I am only an observer.
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Post by Mary
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be
the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
That's because you already paid. Last time I went to the hospital
(for surgery) I think I paid $15.
There really weren't that many people who were truly uninsured in the
US in the first place and all the expense of the ACA hasn't added all
that many people to the ranks of the insured.
Fred - private medical can never work in the long term. Here is why.
And yet it does. The following indicates you have zero clue about how
health insurance works.
Post by g***@gmail.com
Ok so you are young and fit - no problem - full insurance, private sectors is best at this.
Those are a big part of the people in the US who don't have health
insurance because it's a losing proposition for them. Part of
ObamaCare is an attempt to FORCE them to buy insurance (because that
will subsidize sicker people in the insurance pool). Unfortunately
the size of the fine that can be levied is less than the overpriced
insurance that ObamaCare has led to, so what we'll really get is an
extra government tax on the healthy.
Post by g***@gmail.com
You have a heart complaint - private sector wins again - straight in and it's fixed, no waiting around.
So you now have a second heart complaint (or cancer), well, we'll have to put up your premium.
What's that, you can't afford the premium? Tough, sell your house. You've already sold it (or you have no house to sell) - well, you're stuffed.
You think premiums for health insurance are set by individual? What
planet do you live on?
Post by g***@gmail.com
Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?
Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice). When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
So you're going to just gloss right over your having said something
that was foolishly incorrect, then? OK. Then let's agree that
private insurance IN YOUR COUNTRY is screwed up.
Post by g***@gmail.com
- in 2005 it was reported that medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. and then just a couple weeks ago the american journal of medicine said the same thing holds true.
posted by nadawi at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009
I recall seeing at least one example in the excellent Frontline episode "Sick Around America," which you can watch online.
posted by dhammond at 6:11 PM on June 24, 2009 [1 favorite]
Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study released today by the American Journal of Medicine.
No self-interest there at all...
'Linked to medical expenses' merely means that they HAD medical
expenses.
Look it cannot work if you get real sick (unless you are rich). You know that ,we all know that.
Any time anyone says "and you know it" in the course of a discussion,
they've admitted to themselves that they cannot support their position
and have elected to engage in intellectual dishonesty.
Your admission of defeat is accepted.
Fred, you seem to be points scoring, I am only presenting facts. I could care less what your selfish friends want in the US. I am only an observer.
Facts is what you are NOT presenting. But you keep wriggling, calling
names, and telling me what I know. It just makes you look like an
ignorant git who knows his argument is bankrupt.
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soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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wrote in message news:eb3f9c72-ad8b-41a2-8633-***@googlegroups.com...

Fred, you seem to be points scoring, I am only presenting facts. I could
care less what your selfish friends want in the US. I am only an observer.

*****An observer, perhaps, but hardly an disinterested or unbiased one, Heid
old stick.....
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Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft
enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice).
When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.

****Heid, lad, read up on Medicare, especially Medicare advantage plans.
Then come back and apologize for displaying your ignorance.
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Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft
enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice).
When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
****Heid, lad, read up on Medicare, especially Medicare advantage plans.
Then come back and apologize for displaying your ignorance.
Meet Margaret


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Post by g***@gmail.com
Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft
enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice).
When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
****Heid, lad, read up on Medicare, especially Medicare advantage plans.
Then come back and apologize for displaying your ignorance.
Meet Margaret
http://youtu.be/HZ-9oeY_ibE
Gee, people make political ads. The amazing part is that you're so
stupid you think they're reality.
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only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft
enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice).
When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
****Heid, lad, read up on Medicare, especially Medicare advantage plans.
Then come back and apologize for displaying your ignorance.
Meet Margaret
http://youtu.be/HZ-9oeY_ibE
Gee, people make political ads. The amazing part is that you're so
stupid you think they're reality.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
That's because they are real you stoopid gun-slinin redneck!
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Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft
enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice).
When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
****Heid, lad, read up on Medicare, especially Medicare advantage plans.
Then come back and apologize for displaying your ignorance.
Meet Margaret
http://youtu.be/HZ-9oeY_ibE
Gee, people make political ads. The amazing part is that you're so
stupid you think they're reality.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
That's because they are real you stoopid gun-slinin redneck!
Really? The claim is made for a "$10,000 shot". What was it?
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truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Well it isn't lower for old people! We have private here too if you are daft
enough to buy it in parallel with the state system (hence paying twice).
When you hit 65 it shoots up and there are things they won't cover at all.
****Heid, lad, read up on Medicare, especially Medicare advantage plans.
Then come back and apologize for displaying your ignorance.
Meet Margaret
http://youtu.be/HZ-9oeY_ibE
Gee, people make political ads. The amazing part is that you're so
stupid you think they're reality.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
That's because they are real you stoopid gun-slinin redneck!
I don't know if you've ever read this one, Hardy, it actually is quite a
quick read and it fully describes both the corruption involved in it's
passage and the revolving-door of the major players in Washington who
ushered it through....And it also explains why Obama couldn't do anything
about lowering drug costs in his ACA. The last three pages are strictly the
list of resources used for this publication. A worthwhile read.

http://www.citizen.org/documents/Medicare_Drug_War%20_Report_2004.pdf

cheers....Jeff
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Just as few insurance companies will insure your old wreck of a car unless
the premium is very high, same for humans.
You know insurance is LOWER for old cars and not higher, right?

*****I'll bet he doesn't....
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Post by Mary
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Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
Yeah - sure - we pay national insurance I think. Used to be called that anyway.
But if you are poor or unemployed and have never paid a penny tax in your life you still get free health care in the UK.
The US has the worst value health care system in the western world too.
Mary
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Post by Mary
Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
Post by Mary
Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent free
health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or elective, and
stay there if you are sick for a while and not have to pay anything.
Yeah - sure - we pay national insurance I think. Used to be called that anyway.
But if you are poor or unemployed and have never paid a penny tax in your
life you still get free health care in the UK.
The US has the worst value health care system in the western world too.
It's the same here. If you are poor or unemployed, or stay in one room or
even if you are a refugee, you still get free health care, I meant income
taxes are high when you work, but if you don't work, you wouldnt pay income
tax.





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Just when you think that you did everything right, along comes an insurance
company that finds a way to destroy your life and alll because of a holidat
in America I wonder if this outfit is affiliated with an American parent
company, they certainly appear to have the bull$hite factor down pat ! Scary
stuff.....
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/canadian-woman-hit-950000-tab-after-giving-birth-us-hospital?akid=12487.1081981.7BrbrX&rd=1&src=newsletter1027376&t=4

cheers....Jeff
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Post by Mary
"Let the auld geezers die before they bankrupt Medicare" seems to be the
current mindset.
Not a good way to look at things.
*****Perhaps not, Mary. Let's wait and see how things develop.
You know, there are a lot of things wrong with Scotland but decent
free health care isn't one of them.
Canada has "free" health care too, but our taxes are so high, it's not very
free but you can at least go to hospital in an emergency or
elective, and stay there if you are sick for a while and not have
to pay anything.
Yeah - sure - we pay national insurance I think. Used to be called that anyway.
But if you are poor or unemployed and have never paid a penny tax in
your life you still get free health care in the UK.
The US has the worst value health care system in the western world too.
It's the same here. If you are poor or unemployed, or stay in one
room or even if you are a refugee, you still get free health care, I meant
income taxes are high when you work, but if you don't work, you wouldnt
pay
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Just when you think that you did everything right, along comes an
insurance company that finds a way to destroy your life and alll because
of a holidat in America I wonder if this outfit is affiliated with an
American parent company, they certainly appear to have the bull$hite
factor down pat ! Scary stuff.....
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/canadian-woman-hit-950000-tab-after-giving-birth-us-hospital?akid=12487.1081981.7BrbrX&rd=1&src=newsletter1027376&t=4
cheers....Jeff
Just when you think that you did everything right, along comes an
insurance company that finds a way to destroy your life and alll because
of a holidat in America I wonder if this outfit is affiliated with an
American parent company, they certainly appear to have the bull$hite
factor down pat ! Scary stuff.....
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/canadian-woman-hit-950000-tab-after-giving-birth-us-hospital?akid=12487.1081981.7BrbrX&rd=1&src=newsletter1027376&t=4

cheers....Jeff

I saw that on local TV news yesterday. I can't imagine getting a hospital
bill or any bill for $950,000. You have to be careful with insurance
companies.
Even when you think you are covered for everything, you may find you are
not,
according to the insurance company. How will this couple pay almost $1
million? I hope this can be settled favourably for the couple or they could
or they could be brankrupted.

Mary




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Yeah - sure - we pay national insurance I think. Used to be called that anyway.
But if you are poor or unemployed and have never paid a penny tax in your life you still get free health care in the UK.
Here too.
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The US has the worst value health care system in the western world too.
<yawn>

Then you should stay out.
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doctor every five years.
Or alternatively just don't eat the shite that gives you cancer in the first place.
Radical suggestion for a thick hillbilly yank to process I understand but here ARE many places in the world where colon cancer in unknown - and none of them sell McDonalds fuckburgers.
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Yes, the stool samples are tested for signs of cancer or polyps .
It's good to see the group are still sticking rigorously to questions and topics concerning Scottish culture.

I notice the average life expectancy in Glasgow has now risen to 53 for males and 56 for females!!
Wonderfull news.
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"
I had a colonoscopy 9 years ago and
hope I never have it done again.
*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far your best
bet against colon cancer.
They don't like it up-em.
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I had a colonoscopy 9 years ago and
hope I never have it done again.
*****Mary, please don't give up on colonoscopies. They are by far your best
bet against colon cancer.
They don't like it up-em.

****They ain't gonna like having a significant portion of their small
intestines removed either.
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I got hooked on Downton Abbey and even bought Seasons 1-4 on DVD.


A lot of those people are relations of mine don't you know?
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I got hooked on Downton Abbey and even bought Seasons 1-4 on DVD.
A lot of those people are relations of mine don't you know?
You mean the actors in Downton?


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I got hooked on Downton Abbey and even bought Seasons 1-4 on DVD.
A lot of those people are relations of mine don't you know?
You mean the actors in Downton?
I think he means the Crawley family. You know - purely imaginary?
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I was thinking of you a last month when there was a TV preview here on a
channel which shows a lot of British TV and movies that they have are going
to have "Lark Rise to Candleford" program on weekly in Canada.
****The main thing we liked about the show was that it put you into the
middle of a community. The more we watched, the more we felt a part of the
community.
Maybe I will check it out more.
I hadnt seen any posts from you in the last few days. I thought you might
have given up on the group :)
Mary
Hello Mary
Your presence just lightens the room whenever you enter it.
Please stay.
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I was thinking of you a last month when there was a TV preview here on a
channel which shows a lot of British TV and movies that they have are going
to have "Lark Rise to Candleford" program on weekly in Canada.
****The main thing we liked about the show was that it put you into the
middle of a community. The more we watched, the more we felt a part of the
community.
Maybe I will check it out more.
I hadnt seen any posts from you in the last few days. I thought you might
have given up on the group :)
Mary
Hello Mary
Your presence just lightens the room whenever you enter it.
Please stay.
How nice of you to say so. Nice to see you again.

Mary


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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Why ,not it's going to the dogs. Only miserable old Yanks on it nowadays and sheep-shaggers from NZ.
So what are ewe gonna do about it?
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Why ,not it's going to the dogs. Only miserable old Yanks on it nowadays and sheep-shaggers from NZ.
So what are ewe gonna do about it?
Well, we know you're not a Yank, so ...
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Why ,not it's going to the dogs. Only miserable old Yanks on it nowadays
and sheep-shaggers from NZ.
So what are ewe gonna do about it?
Well, we know you're not a Yank, so ...

****I believe Heid has just outed himself...........
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Why ,not it's going to the dogs. Only miserable old Yanks on it nowadays and
sheep-shaggers from NZ.
So what are ewe gonna do about it?

*****What I've done all along, Heid. Encourage (read 'Put to shame') our
regular posters into posting
It doesn't pay all that well but someone has to do it.
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
*****What I've done all along, Heid. Encourage (read 'Put to shame') our
regular posters into posting
It doesn't pay all that well but someone has to do it.
The reason I don't post any more is my server stopped providing usenet as part of it's service. Now the only way I can join in is via google groups and it's pathetic clunky peice of **** that passes for a newsreader.
It took me ages to figure out how to block the idiots and trolls just for starters.
Glad to see some of you are still keeping this cesspit going though.
Mostly idiot pig-ignorant Yank facists but then that's been the case for a decade at least.
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The reason I don't post any more is my server stopped providing usenet as part of it's service. Now the only way I can join in is via google groups and it's pathetic clunky peice of **** that passes for a newsreader.
It took me ages to figure out how to block the idiots and trolls just for starters.
Glad to see some of you are still keeping this cesspit going though.
Mostly idiot pig-ignorant Yank facists but then that's been the case for a decade at least.
Nice to see you, too...
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Nice to see you, too...
Ooooooh!!

Golly gosh - that gave me such a thrill to read that Ms Viemeister.
What a husky voice you've developed lately.
You naughty girl.
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Nice to see you, too...
Ooooooh!!
Golly gosh - that gave me such a thrill to read that Ms Viemeister.
What a husky voice you've developed lately.
I've had a bad cold for a few days.
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You naughty girl.
I've been known to be.
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2014-11-06 14:20:31 UTC
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The reason I don't post any more is my server stopped providing
usenet as part of it's service. Now the only way I can join in is
via google groups and it's pathetic clunky peice of **** that passes
for a newsreader. It took me ages to figure out how to block the
idiots and trolls just for starters.
You really don't need to do that. There are several places you can
obtain a Usenet account, most of them free. I use Eternal September:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

You can then connect using your favorite newsreader; again, many are
available, and a lot of them are free.
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Glad to see some of you are still keeping this cesspit going though.
Mostly idiot pig-ignorant Yank facists but then that's been the case for a decade at least.
What Sheila said.
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You really don't need to do that. There are several places you can
http://www.eternal-september.org/
You can then connect using your favorite newsreader; again, many are
available, and a lot of them are free.
Yeah yeah. So I've been told. I got a free trial with ....oh bollocks ... can't remember the name now and it ran out anyway.
But you have to remember I'm retarded. I only know how to use Outhouse Distress and Vista Bidnez doesn't support it.
In any case - none of you are really worth the bother.
Times have changed since the glory days when I was won the coveted title of 'Second least successfull troll in the history of Usenet 1998" award.
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The reason I don't post any more is my server stopped providing
usenet as part of it's service. Now the only way I can join in is
via google groups and it's pathetic clunky peice of **** that passes
for a newsreader. It took me ages to figure out how to block the
idiots and trolls just for starters.
You really don't need to do that. There are several places you can
http://www.eternal-september.org/
You can then connect using your favorite newsreader; again, many are
available, and a lot of them are free.
I think this is what a lot of us do, but we all know that Adam is a
bit of a thickie and may not be able to manage this.
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
*****What I've done all along, Heid. Encourage (read 'Put to shame') our
regular posters into posting
It doesn't pay all that well but someone has to do it.
The reason I don't post any more is my server stopped providing usenet as part of it's service. Now the only way I can join in is via google groups and it's pathetic clunky peice of **** that passes for a newsreader.
It took me ages to figure out how to block the idiots and trolls just for starters.
Glad to see some of you are still keeping this cesspit going though.
Mostly idiot pig-ignorant Yank facists but then that's been the case for a decade at least.
I'm with Sheila- nice to see you too :D
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
*****What I've done all along, Heid. Encourage (read 'Put to shame') our
regular posters into posting
It doesn't pay all that well but someone has to do it.
The reason I don't post any more is my server stopped providing usenet as part of it's service. Now the only way I can join in is via google groups and it's pathetic clunky peice of **** that passes for a newsreader.
It took me ages to figure out how to block the idiots and trolls just for starters.
Glad to see some of you are still keeping this cesspit going though.
Mostly idiot pig-ignorant Yank facists but then that's been the case for a decade at least.
I'm with Sheila- nice to see you too :D
Verizon does not provide usenet service but it does provide internet
connection and you can read newsgroups without charge by using Mozilla
and Eternal September.
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I'm with Sheila- nice to see you too :D
Verizon does not provide usenet service but it does provide internet
connection and you can read newsgroups without charge by using Mozilla
and Eternal September.
I'm touched that so many of you want the opportunity to make my life a misery again after so many years.
Tempted.

Who the fuck are you by the way?
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Post by Val
I'm with Sheila- nice to see you too :D
Verizon does not provide usenet service but it does provide internet
connection and you can read newsgroups without charge by using Mozilla
and Eternal September.
I'm touched that so many of you want the opportunity to make my life a
misery again after so many years.
Tempted.
Who the fuck are you by the way?
Are you using Hotmail.com for your email now. I thought you used Google? you
don't need to use Google. there are much better free newsgroups than then


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I'm with Sheila- nice to see you too :D
Ooooh!
Val!!
I'm suddenly all moist just seeing your smile again.

Maybe I will pay for a news-reader. It's cheaper than phone sex after all.
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Post by Val
I'm with Sheila- nice to see you too :D
Ooooh!
Val!!
I'm suddenly all moist just seeing your smile again.
Maybe I will pay for a news-reader. It's cheaper than phone sex after all.
Eternal September and Thunderbird.
Ask for help and one of us may agree to walk you through setting it up.
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Post by Val
I'm with Sheila- nice to see you too :D
Ooooh!
Val!!
I'm suddenly all moist just seeing your smile again.
Maybe I will pay for a news-reader. It's cheaper than phone sex after all.
Eternal September and Thunderbird.
Ask for help and one of us may agree to walk you through setting it up.
Then again, we may just give you instructions that format your hard
drive and spindle your cat...
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A skill I needed to have to be a survivor.
It's over now, or so they say.
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Can I invite you and others to The League of Very Sovereign Scots on Facebook.
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
Can I invite you and others to The League of Very Sovereign Scots on
Facebook.

****And if I enter all that, will a page jump up? I think a grand migration
to Facebook might be advantageous.
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
No, we leave that up to you.

How about giving us some Scottish culture, then?
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
No, we leave that up to you.

How about giving us some Scottish culture, then?

*****You remind me of one Alan Similac. Any kin of yours?
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You guys surely are not going to allow this venerable news group to
perish......
No, we leave that up to you.
How about giving us some Scottish culture, then?
*****You remind me of one Alan Similac. Any kin of yours?
Yes, let's have some Scottish culture, get back to your Hillbilly roots man.
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How about giving us some Scottish culture, then?
*****You remind me of one Alan Similac. Any kin of yours?
Yes, let's have some Scottish culture, get back to your Hillbilly roots man.

Well there is the strong Scotch/Irish connection in the mountains. Plus a
veritable herd of Scottish Highlanders that settled in Eastern North
Carolina. Came in Clan lots, they did. There were churches in Scotland
County what conducted services in Highland Gaelic even into the 19th
Century....
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How about giving us some Scottish culture, then?
*****You remind me of one Alan Similac. Any kin of yours?
Yes, let's have some Scottish culture, get back to your Hillbilly roots man.
Well there is the strong Scotch/Irish connection in the mountains. Plus
a veritable herd of Scottish Highlanders that settled in Eastern North
Carolina. Came in Clan lots, they did. There were churches in Scotland
County what conducted services in Highland Gaelic even into the 19th
Century....
I've heard that there were still a few Gaelic-speakers on into the early
1900s, up in the mountains.
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Post by AlanS
How about giving us some Scottish culture, then?
*****You remind me of one Alan Similac. Any kin of yours?
Yes, let's have some Scottish culture, get back to your Hillbilly roots man.
Well there is the strong Scotch/Irish connection in the mountains. Plus
a veritable herd of Scottish Highlanders that settled in Eastern North
Carolina. Came in Clan lots, they did. There were churches in Scotland
County what conducted services in Highland Gaelic even into the 19th
Century....
I've heard that there were still a few Gaelic-speakers on into the early
1900s, up in the mountains.
I didn't know if it is the "Scotch-Irish" influence but the University
of North Carolina has a rather good agricultural department where they
developed a successful all-purpose chicken": young it is a Cornish Game
Hen, later a roasting chicken and can be allowed to grow up into an
egg-laying machine.

A female Japanese post-doc went with me to UNC for a scientific meeting.
She thought that the idea of a "Chicken Professor" that we met was
vastly funny and couldn't help talking about him for months.
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I didn't know if it is the "Scotch-Irish" influence but the University
of North Carolina has a rather good agricultural department where they
developed a successful all-purpose chicken": young it is a Cornish Game
Hen, later a roasting chicken and can be allowed to grow up into an
egg-laying machine.
A female Japanese post-doc went with me to UNC for a scientific meeting.
She thought that the idea of a "Chicken Professor" that we met was
vastly funny and couldn't help talking about him for months.
She might have found the Poultry Research centre at Edinburgh University
absolutely hilarious. The man I dealt with there (I worked at the
CBABG/ABRO building) actually resembled a chicken...
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Well there is the strong Scotch/Irish connection in the mountains. Plus
a veritable herd of Scottish Highlanders that settled in Eastern North
Carolina. Came in Clan lots, they did. There were churches in Scotland
County what conducted services in Highland Gaelic even into the 19th
Century....
I've heard that there were still a few Gaelic-speakers on into the early
1900s, up in the mountains.

***There may well have been, Sheila but the bulk of Scots Gaelic speakers
settled in Eastern North Carolina. Apparently the Highland Scots wanted
little to do with the folks of Scots/Irish descent what infested the
mountains. A rowdy lot, the Appalachian Ulstermen.
S Viemeister
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Well there is the strong Scotch/Irish connection in the mountains. Plus
a veritable herd of Scottish Highlanders that settled in Eastern North
Carolina. Came in Clan lots, they did. There were churches in Scotland
County what conducted services in Highland Gaelic even into the 19th
Century....
I've heard that there were still a few Gaelic-speakers on into the early
1900s, up in the mountains.
***There may well have been, Sheila but the bulk of Scots Gaelic
speakers settled in Eastern North Carolina. Apparently the Highland
Scots wanted little to do with the folks of Scots/Irish descent what
infested the mountains. A rowdy lot, the Appalachian Ulstermen.
And teuchters are well known for being quiet and peaceable...
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I've heard that there were still a few Gaelic-speakers on into the early
1900s, up in the mountains.
***There may well have been, Sheila but the bulk of Scots Gaelic
speakers settled in Eastern North Carolina. Apparently the Highland
Scots wanted little to do with the folks of Scots/Irish descent what
infested the mountains. A rowdy lot, the Appalachian Ulstermen.
And teuchters are well known for being quiet and peaceable...

****Might be the reason North Carolina put three hundred miles between the
two groups.....

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