"WhiteWolf! @iol.ie" <rayh(removespamblocker> wrote in message
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:56:48 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
>>"WhiteWolf! @iol.ie" <rayh(removespamblocker> wrote in message
>>> On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:06:38 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
>>> Jesus it's another one back from the grave! What is it with this
>>> could almost imagine that the same person is using 3 different nyms to
>>> But that would be silly to claim! ;-)
>>If you look you might notice I posted a month ago on rememberance day in
>>Novermber ! :)
>>And I posted before on this subject but apparently you only noticed it
> Now your just teasing me :)
>>>>> Now, unless you have evidence to contradict the President, shut up and
>>>>> looking foolish!
>>>>Christian theology sayd one can not commit evil in order to do good.
>>> Taking action to save the greater innocent from the actions of a evil
>>Incarcerating innocent people and torturing them is not " taking action
>>against an evil action" !
Yes? Ever heard of the "Justice system" WE do not assume guilt!
> Caught on the battlefield of Afghanistan?
In the sense that the whole countryside was a battlefield? Just like saying
a Catholic farmer in N Ireland is caught on a battlefield and so must be
supporting IRA terrorists?
>Terrorists who have been
> tracked for 2 years
Rubbish! They did not track 700 plus people for two years! And if they didi
why whernt they triede and the evidence presented. In fact people were
rounded up by the Us Military and by others ( local militia who hasnded
people over claiming they were terrorists) many were no doubt innocent and
just farmers. Even after torture there is nothing to charge them with! But
like Bobby Sands and other IRA members or like Qutb ( the mentor of Bin
Laden) torturing them or other cruel and unsusal teratment will no doubt
make them into future terrorists.
> dreaming of blowing up innocent people at a Christmas Tree
> Lightening ceremony? Innocent?
Which of the 700 detainees who were not as yet tried before a court was
planning to blow up people at a Christmas Tree? And what do you say about
similar IRA attacks?
>>> Otherwise police could never intervene in a crime...
>>rubbish! The Police should always act withing the law! Otherwise they are
>>better than the terrorists! THe US and British Military have been shown
>>acting against the law.
> Laws are subject to change...
So what? The police act withing the law. If you change it they act within
the new law.
> If the law is passed that a cop can kill a fella
> because he looks "strange" is that ok? NO! Same thing applies...
Rubbish! The copurt system mitigates the law! A Republic is a democracy
regulated by law. You cant just pass a law for reintroducing slavery (
although GITMO gets near this but it isnt on US soil so the court cant act).
If you were to pass such a majority law the court would rule it out!
>>>By your standards
>>> they must stand about chatting about the latest football results until
>>> criminal has finished his raping and murdering of the innocent
>>> with it!
>>It is cvalled "assumption of innocence" Get with it! You appear to rthink
>>the British and US Army are justified in torturing suspect terrorists.
> Terrorist suspects who the government believe to have vital information
> regard to an imminent terrorist attack... Yeah...
So you do believe the British could torture suyspect IRA members? And ytou
believe the Guildford Four and Birmingham SIx and Annie Mc Guire should have
been trested the way they were because they were suspects!
> Torture the bastard... Better
> him then the 30 innocent women and children that are victims of another
> terrorist had we not "had a chat" with him...
And the B6 G4 and Mc Guire 7 and Gerry Conlon all deserved what thay got
according to you !
Shame on you!
>>>>>>>If your holding a gun and you see a gunman racing towards a daycare,
>>>>>>>shots at the kids, would you shoot him or stand around to ponder the
>>>>>>>meaning of the moral dilemma presented with taking the life of an
>>>>>>>dirtbag to save many innocent lives?
>>>>>>It's not the same thing at all.
>>>>> It's exactly the same thing...
>>>> No it isnt! Stopping a tyerrorist in the commission of a mass murder
>>>>arresting and torturing an Afghan farmer on suspiscion of terrorism are
>>>>the same thing.
>>> Afghan farmer... Yes the Allies are running mills where they torture
>>> hundreds of
>>> thousands of afghan farmers
>>That arrested thousanbds and hundreds were imprisioned in GITMO without
> LOL! 490!
WRONG! as usual.
[quote nov 3 2010]
Of nearly 800 terrorism suspects brought to this remote U.S. base in
southern Cuba over nearly nine years, 174 remain, most because of diplomatic
troubles between Washington and their home countries rather than out of
concern they would pose a security threat if freed.
>And Nobama is trying his damn best to offload them to other countries
> and yet... They refuse to take them! Why is that? Could it be the 25%
> offender rate? Hardly! Or could it?
REd herring! The subject is whether they have been shown to be guilty oif
anything. 800 detained for nine years. ONE minor conviction of hundreds of
charges against a single "suspect" !
>>... 3 people... That's right 3! Were
>>Prove it was only 3! Can you do that?
> Bush, Cheney and the CIA claim that many...
LOL! Just like they claimed
- Loads of WMD in Iraq which they would show us withing days of invading=
-Saddam treining Al Quada and working with them in world terror = untrue
the CIA claimed Ghadaffi was building missile silos in Libya when
Halliburton was b uilding aquafers there on a fat contract!
>What evidence do yo to claim
> otherwise? Just saying so... That won't cut it...
What piles of illogical shite you construct!
YOU CLAIMED IT! It is for you to prove it! Look up "shifting the burden"
under logical fallacy!
> Snip - I've seen you with Telmey!
Look up "ad hominem " while you are at it! It is another fallacy!
Whn ytou are clearly losing the arguiment do you always resort to attacking
the person instead!
>>> Ah... So cute... Concentration camps where they have flat screen tv's
>>> personalized diet supplements...
>>Concen tration camp = people of similar ethnic religious tribal background
>>incarcrated in large numbers. AS begun by the Brits to the Boers.
>>How do you know about the TVs anyway?
> How do you know about the so called concentration camps? For that matter!
Evasion noted! WEhen you take about 800 people of the same religion and move
them to the far side of the world and concentrate them in one camp what
would you call it? A holiday camp?
>>> Yes... Just like the Nazi camps so they are!
>>> FFS!! drop that crap... It's a blatant lie!
>>Inceration of similar peoples without trial is just like the Germans ( to
>>Jews and Gypsies etc. ) US ( done in WWII) Or Brits in The Boer War.
>>Concentration camps and extermination camps are different.
> Oh... so nice of you to draw that distinction... I was just about to do
> As well yo know... Else you'd not have drawn it...
Look up "argument fropm ignorance" as well. It is another fallacy.
The fact that is itsnt an extermination camp does not negate it being a
There were thousands of German concentration camps but relatively few
>>>>Of the top suspects they charge one with hundreds of charges and only
>>>>charge to stick! What about the other 700 they imprisioned without
>>>>How isnt that any different from internment without trial of suspect
>>> Dont' get on my back mate! Get on Obamas! He was the one that promised
>>> close Camp Gitmo!
>>Answer the question! How isnt that any different from internment without
>>trial of suspect IRA?
>>Unlike you i am prepared to criticise bith Obama and Bush and anything
>>is against human rights.
> I recently PRAISED Nobama
Answer the question! How is that any different from internment without
trial of suspect IRA?
>>> He was the one that promised to pull the troops out....
>>That have left Iraq!
> Really? <smiles>
> 48 thousand troops remain in Iraq*...
As of August 2009, all non-U.S. coalition members had withdrawn from Iraq
United States Forces - Iraq does not have responsibility for, nor control
of, any ground in Iraq. Its mission is limited to defense and security
It is there at the behest of the Iraqi government.
As of 1 January 2009, the Iraqi Government is fully responsible, through
its security ministries, for maintaining and providing security and rule of
law for its people. Furthermore, as of 28 June 2009, no foreign forces are
stationed within any of Iraq's major cities. The United States decided after
negotiations to cease combat operations, that is, patrolling, serving arrest
warrants, route clearance, etc., within Iraq by 1 September 2010, and
transition to a pure advise, train and assist role. The changing mission
entails major troop reductions; from 115,000 on 15 December 2009, to 50,000
by 1 September 2010, and to zero by 31 December 2011.
>>> Gitmo remains open... The troops got a surge!
>>The surge was under Bush! At least Obama pulled out of Iraq.
> Of course he has! LOL!
Fact. Nothing funny about it! Bush lost the plot and tried to shore up the
failure with a surge. Obama pulled them all out.
> And the drone attacks that killed more terrorists then the same drone
> under 8 years of Bush... Just a minor inconvenience to you Liberals... You
> over look that... Right?
Where do you get the idea I am liberal.
I signed on for eleven years and saw some active service. How much border
duty did Bush do with the excepotion of overflying the Mexican border?:)