Discussion:
WHAT ?! E.ENGLAND "REGIONAL ASSEMBLY" ALREADY EXISTS !!!!
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Wotan
2004-11-06 13:03:40 UTC
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The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
own area, by 78%.

BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!

THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
ELECTORATE !!!

And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!

NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?

Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
property speculators and house builders. In reality, it
is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
control over it whatsoever.

It is clearly a completely illegal assembly which has
no authority to do anything at all. And does not
even have the authority of the electorate to exist !

But behind it, of course, is the evil hand of our enemies
in the "EU".

Meeting in Southend, a town which has earned a
reputation for meetings held in secret (itself illegal)
yesterday it approved Prescott's plan to concrete
over rural England with half a million new houses.

None of which are needed. Or would not be if
it were not for the half million immigrants that have
been dumped on this country by Blair and his Marxists
as part of their "project" of ethnocide by mass
immigration.

Meanwhile, 200,000 English people gave up and
moved abroad last year alone, in the largest mass
emigration ever seen and the most catastrophic brain
drain Britain has ever suffered.

Simple isn't it ? 200,000 hostile voters leave the
county, and he ships in 500,000 labour voters in the
largest act of gerrymandering ever perpetrated against
the British electorate.

Friends of the Earth and the Campaign to Protect
Rural England are livid ! But why is it left to
campaigns to defend the rights of the electorate to
decide on such matters, when the crooks making
these decisions are running a completely illegal
organisation outside the control of the electorate -
and largely even unknown to the electorate ?

The chair creature in charge of this criminal and
illegal organisation, one Sue Sida-Lockett, stressed
that there would be "public consultation". Ha,
fucking, HA !

And just which "members of the public" will be
"consulted" one wonders ? Members of the
property racketeering and building community by
any chance ? Or Blair's Nu Labour crooks ?

I cannot see that 25 years in the slammer for this
subversion of the authority of the electorate and,
therefore, of our nation state, is by any means
excessive.

It won't happen under Blair's filthy little government
of Marxist traitors and racketeers, but governments
change and the authority of the people WILL be
enforced.

VIGOROUSLY !
Stephen Horgan
2004-11-06 14:26:43 UTC
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Post by Wotan
The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
own area, by 78%.
BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
ELECTORATE !!!
And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
property speculators and house builders. In reality, it
is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
control over it whatsoever.
Believe it or not I actually sat on the East of England Regional
Assembly yesterday. Leaving aside the rather frothing delivery the
above analysis is actually not far from the truth. There are
representatives from Council Administrations' like me, who must be
elected Councillors, but then there are a raft of other people drafted
in with no accountability whatsoever. There isn't even named voting so
no-one can identify if measures were passed by the people with an
electoral mandate or the placemen.

If is was left to the, overwhelmingly Conservative, Councillors that
people actually voted for then we would have no truck with hundreds of
thousands of homes being dumped on us. Instead we were outvoted by
Labour and Liberal Democrat hacks brought on some PR political top-up
system and those without even that wafer-thin electoral mandate.

Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
--
Stephen Horgan

"intelligent people will tend to overvalue intelligence"
Periander.
2004-11-06 15:44:53 UTC
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"Stephen Horgan" <***@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
....
Post by Stephen Horgan
Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
--
Stephen Horgan
Goodness me Horgan, in all the years you've been papping your particular
brand of socialism around the net this is the first time you've actually
said something that would justify your claim to be a conservative. Keep it
up and we'll soon have you voting to get us out of Europe and all the other
rubbish we've had to put up with for the last 30 years or so.
--
regards or otherwise,

Periander
(dormouse)
Wotan
2004-11-07 01:27:51 UTC
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"Stephen Horgan" <***@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:03:40 -0000, "Wotan" <***@Valhalla.net>
wrote:
|
| >The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| >rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| >own area, by 78%.
| >
| >BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| >REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| >- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
| >
| >THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
| >UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
| >ELECTORATE !!!
| >
| >And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
| >across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
| >
| >NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
| >
| >Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
| >and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
| >property speculators and house builders. In reality, it
| >is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
| >defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
| >control over it whatsoever.
| >
| Believe it or not I actually sat on the East of England Regional
| Assembly yesterday. Leaving aside the rather frothing delivery the
| above analysis is actually not far from the truth. There are
| representatives from Council Administrations' like me, who must be
| elected Councillors, but then there are a raft of other people
drafted
| in with no accountability whatsoever. There isn't even named voting
so
| no-one can identify if measures were passed by the people with an
| electoral mandate or the placemen.
|
| If is was left to the, overwhelmingly Conservative, Councillors that
| people actually voted for then we would have no truck with hundreds
of
| thousands of homes being dumped on us. Instead we were outvoted by
| Labour and Liberal Democrat hacks brought on some PR political
top-up
| system and those without even that wafer-thin electoral mandate.
|
| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| --
| Stephen Horgan

Thank you for that briefing Stephen.

It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
formation must be made to account for themselves, in
court.

Do we have a Conservative party manifesto promise to
close these things down - and to declare null and void
all decisions taken by them ?

Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
Stephen Horgan
2004-11-07 08:36:12 UTC
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Post by Wotan
|
| >The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| >rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| >own area, by 78%.
| >
| >BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| >REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| >- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
| >
| >THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
| >UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
| >ELECTORATE !!!
| >
| >And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
| >across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
| >
| >NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
| >
| >Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
| >and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
| >property speculators and house builders. In reality, it
| >is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
| >defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
| >control over it whatsoever.
| >
| Believe it or not I actually sat on the East of England Regional
| Assembly yesterday. Leaving aside the rather frothing delivery the
| above analysis is actually not far from the truth. There are
| representatives from Council Administrations' like me, who must be
| elected Councillors, but then there are a raft of other people
drafted
| in with no accountability whatsoever. There isn't even named voting
so
| no-one can identify if measures were passed by the people with an
| electoral mandate or the placemen.
|
| If is was left to the, overwhelmingly Conservative, Councillors that
| people actually voted for then we would have no truck with hundreds
of
| thousands of homes being dumped on us. Instead we were outvoted by
| Labour and Liberal Democrat hacks brought on some PR political
top-up
| system and those without even that wafer-thin electoral mandate.
|
| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| --
| Stephen Horgan
Thank you for that briefing Stephen.
It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
formation must be made to account for themselves, in
court.
Do we have a Conservative party manifesto promise to
close these things down - and to declare null and void
all decisions taken by them ?
Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
Conservative policy is to close these 'assemblies' down and to devolve
housing planning decisions back to local Councils. I am not sure that
there is a criminal case to be made, despite the nature of the
assemblies. They are legal, under the law passed by the current
government.
--
Stephen Horgan

"intelligent people will tend to overvalue intelligence"
Wotan
2004-11-07 10:57:15 UTC
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"Stephen Horgan" <***@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message

| >| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| >| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| >| --
| >| Stephen Horgan
| >
| >Thank you for that briefing Stephen.
| >
| >It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
| >formation must be made to account for themselves, in
| >court.
| >
| >Do we have a Conservative party manifesto promise to
| >close these things down - and to declare null and void
| >all decisions taken by them ?
| >
| >Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
| >subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
| >you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
| >
| Conservative policy is to close these 'assemblies' down and to
devolve
| housing planning decisions back to local Councils. I am not sure
that
| there is a criminal case to be made, despite the nature of the
| assemblies. They are legal, under the law passed by the current
| government.
| --

Thank you for that reply, Steven. In the event of an
election we will expect to see that in your manifesto.

The laws passed enabling these assemblies are illegal
and of no effect.

As are all other "laws" motivated or inspired for and
on behalf of any illegal foreign organisation.
Martin Davies
2004-11-07 11:52:15 UTC
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Post by Wotan
| >| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| >| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| >| --
| >| Stephen Horgan
| >
| >Thank you for that briefing Stephen.
| >
| >It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
| >formation must be made to account for themselves, in
| >court.
| >
| >Do we have a Conservative party manifesto promise to
| >close these things down - and to declare null and void
| >all decisions taken by them ?
| >
| >Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
| >subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
| >you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
| >
| Conservative policy is to close these 'assemblies' down and to
devolve
| housing planning decisions back to local Councils. I am not sure
that
| there is a criminal case to be made, despite the nature of the
| assemblies. They are legal, under the law passed by the current
| government.
| --
Thank you for that reply, Steven. In the event of an
election we will expect to see that in your manifesto.
The laws passed enabling these assemblies are illegal
and of no effect.
How can a law passed by a current government be illegal until it is proven
in court to be so?
Post by Wotan
As are all other "laws" motivated or inspired for and
on behalf of any illegal foreign organisation.
What illegal foreign organisation is that?

Martin <><
Malcolm
2004-11-07 21:41:32 UTC
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Post by Wotan
| >| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| >| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| >| --
| >| Stephen Horgan
| >
| >Thank you for that briefing Stephen.
| >
| >It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
| >formation must be made to account for themselves, in
| >court.
| >
| >Do we have a Conservative party manifesto promise to
| >close these things down - and to declare null and void
| >all decisions taken by them ?
| >
| >Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
| >subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
| >you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
| >
| Conservative policy is to close these 'assemblies' down and to
devolve
| housing planning decisions back to local Councils. I am not sure
that
| there is a criminal case to be made, despite the nature of the
| assemblies. They are legal, under the law passed by the current
| government.
| --
Thank you for that reply, Steven. In the event of an
election we will expect to see that in your manifesto.
The laws passed enabling these assemblies are illegal
and of no effect.
Err, a law passed by this government is legal, by definition.
Post by Wotan
As are all other "laws" motivated or inspired for and
on behalf of any illegal foreign organisation.
What "illegal" foreign organisation would that be?

And if you mean the EU, then you may remember that you have been asked a
number of times for some evidence that it is "illegal" and, so far and
completely unsurprisingly, you have failed to produce anything to back
up your claim.
--
Malcolm
Stephen Horgan
2004-11-08 18:39:12 UTC
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Post by Wotan
| >| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| >| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| >| --
| >| Stephen Horgan
| >
| >Thank you for that briefing Stephen.
| >
| >It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
| >formation must be made to account for themselves, in
| >court.
| >
| >Do we have a Conservative party manifesto promise to
| >close these things down - and to declare null and void
| >all decisions taken by them ?
| >
| >Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
| >subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
| >you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
| >
| Conservative policy is to close these 'assemblies' down and to
devolve
| housing planning decisions back to local Councils. I am not sure
that
| there is a criminal case to be made, despite the nature of the
| assemblies. They are legal, under the law passed by the current
| government.
| --
Thank you for that reply, Steven. In the event of an
election we will expect to see that in your manifesto.
Count on it. This is already policy.


--
Stephen Horgan

"intelligent people will tend to overvalue intelligence"
Jackie Mulheron
2004-11-08 21:00:23 UTC
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Post by Stephen Horgan
Post by Wotan
| >| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| >| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| >| --
| >| Stephen Horgan
| >
| >Thank you for that briefing Stephen.
| >
| >It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
| >formation must be made to account for themselves, in
| >court.
| >
| >Do we have a Conservative party manifesto promise to
| >close these things down - and to declare null and void
| >all decisions taken by them ?
| >
| >Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
| >subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
| >you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
| >
| Conservative policy is to close these 'assemblies' down and to
devolve
| housing planning decisions back to local Councils. I am not sure
that
| there is a criminal case to be made, despite the nature of the
| assemblies. They are legal, under the law passed by the current
| government.
| --
Thank you for that reply, Steven. In the event of an
election we will expect to see that in your manifesto.
Count on it. This is already policy.
Just like all those quango appointees then?

Malcolm
2004-11-07 21:38:46 UTC
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Post by Wotan
|
| >
| Believe it or not I actually sat on the East of England Regional
| Assembly yesterday. Leaving aside the rather frothing delivery the
| above analysis is actually not far from the truth. There are
| representatives from Council Administrations' like me, who must be
| elected Councillors, but then there are a raft of other people
drafted
| in with no accountability whatsoever. There isn't even named voting
so
| no-one can identify if measures were passed by the people with an
| electoral mandate or the placemen.
|
| If is was left to the, overwhelmingly Conservative, Councillors that
| people actually voted for then we would have no truck with hundreds
of
| thousands of homes being dumped on us. Instead we were outvoted by
| Labour and Liberal Democrat hacks brought on some PR political
top-up
| system and those without even that wafer-thin electoral mandate.
|
| Conservative policy is to abolish these bodies forthwith and I
| certainly wouldn't miss the blasted thing.
| --
| Stephen Horgan
Thank you for that briefing Stephen.
That was a "briefing"? ROFL!!!!!

So when you tell us that you receive 40 briefings a day, all you really
mean is that you read 40 Usenet messages a day. Bwahahahahaha!!!!!
Post by Wotan
It is clearly totally illegal and those responsible for its
formation must be made to account for themselves, in
court.
Why must everything of which you disapprove be "illegal"? The EERA was
set up perfectly legally by the present government using powers which it
holds. If you really believe it is illegal, then some law must have been
broken when it was set up. So please tell us which law, or else it will
be apparent that you have once again gone out of your way to make
yourself look a fool.
Post by Wotan
Any suggestions regarding bringing prosecutions for
subversion and/or racketeering/corruption ? Would
you be able/willing to provide evidence in court ?
What court? Are you going to initiate a prosecution? On what grounds?
Perhaps the members of the EERA should be told that you are accusing
them of subversion and/or racketeering/corruption.
--
Malcolm
Martin Davies
2004-11-06 15:30:56 UTC
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Post by Wotan
The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
own area, by 78%.
BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
ELECTORATE !!!
Link please.
Post by Wotan
And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
Have you been asleep for the past 5 years?
House prices rising, shortage of properties for 1st time buyers, and the
plan announced over 3 years ago to build 10 million new houses by 2020.
Did you miss that one? Whatever are your daily briefers doing, missing
something like that?
The 500,000 will just be a part of that.

Or do you think that 1st time buyers should never get on the property
ladder?

Plenty of houses available - though the ability of existing home owners to
remortgage and use the proceeds to buy a 2nd (or 3rd) house to rent out has
been known for some time.
Which helped drive prices up.
Post by Wotan
Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
property speculators and house builders.
In secret?
There was public consultation, indeed public demand for the government to do
something years ago.

Your conspiracy theories don't hold much if its simply because you didn't
pay attention to the news.
Things set up in secret don't usually end up on broadcast voicemail and
local news.


In reality, it
Post by Wotan
is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
control over it whatsoever.
Only in your imagination.
Post by Wotan
It is clearly a completely illegal assembly which has
no authority to do anything at all. And does not
even have the authority of the electorate to exist !
Ah, back to the asembly again are you?
Link please.

Oh, and which part of the East England did you say you lived in again?
Post by Wotan
But behind it, of course, is the evil hand of our enemies
in the "EU".
Ah, the EU fetish comes out again.
Post by Wotan
Meeting in Southend, a town which has earned a
reputation for meetings held in secret (itself illegal)
yesterday it approved Prescott's plan to concrete
over rural England with half a million new houses.
The staged approvals, of which over 500,000 have already been approved?
You really don't know what you are on about do you?
Post by Wotan
None of which are needed.
Says you.
I'm pretty sure plenty of 1st time buyers would disagree - along with anyone
looking to invest in the property market.
Oh wait, you won't be doing that yourself as its gambling.



Or would not be if
Post by Wotan
it were not for the half million immigrants that have
been dumped on this country by Blair and his Marxists
as part of their "project" of ethnocide by mass
immigration.
The Marxism fetish appears!

Half a million immigrants suddenly arriving in this country with £100K or
more to spend on houses? I'll welcome them with open arms.
They will do wonders for the economy, bringing £50 billion into this
country.
Post by Wotan
Meanwhile, 200,000 English people gave up and
moved abroad last year alone, in the largest mass
emigration ever seen and the most catastrophic brain
drain Britain has ever suffered.
200,000? All British citizens, no immigrants leaving?
Good thing there are 500,000 with the money to buy their own homes arriving
then.
Post by Wotan
Simple isn't it ? 200,000 hostile voters leave the
county, and he ships in 500,000 labour voters in the
largest act of gerrymandering ever perpetrated against
the British electorate.
200,000 hostile workers now is it?
Which country did they go to?
Post by Wotan
Friends of the Earth and the Campaign to Protect
Rural England are livid !
And yet how many of them live in a house?
And where were they if they didn't get livid at the plans for 10 million new
homes? Generally, there isn't enough room in existing town boundaries for
the additional 10 million, so where did they think the houses would be
built?



But why is it left to
Post by Wotan
campaigns to defend the rights of the electorate to
decide on such matters, when the crooks making
these decisions are running a completely illegal
organisation outside the control of the electorate -
and largely even unknown to the electorate ?
The electorate decide at election times.
And the majority voted in each constituency representative.
Post by Wotan
The chair creature in charge of this criminal and
illegal organisation, one Sue Sida-Lockett, stressed
that there would be "public consultation". Ha,
fucking, HA !
And public consultation tends to be against projects near them but won't
usually offer support to move it elsewhere.
Post by Wotan
And just which "members of the public" will be
"consulted" one wonders ?
Usually locals.
Are you local to any scheme? They tend to be announced in local press.
Still, you won't have time to read such things if you spend time reading
national papers, getting 40 briefings a day, time on here, and time running
your own business.



Members of the
Post by Wotan
property racketeering and building community by
any chance ?
Where is this property racketeering and building community?
Just another of your conspiracy theories.


Or Blair's Nu Labour crooks ?
Post by Wotan
I cannot see that 25 years in the slammer for this
subversion of the authority of the electorate and,
therefore, of our nation state, is by any means
excessive.
You want to go into the slammer yourself?
Post by Wotan
It won't happen under Blair's filthy little government
of Marxist traitors and racketeers, but governments
change and the authority of the people WILL be
enforced.
The authority of the people HAS BEEN enforced.
Last general election - the majority votes in each area for each party
decided.

Thats what leads to government.

You don't like it, you won't stand yourself, but merely rant and rave about
it when THE MAJORITY DECIDED THE LEGAL GOVERNMENT OF THIS COUNTRY.

Martin <><
Post by Wotan
VIGOROUSLY !
Wotan
2004-11-07 02:01:39 UTC
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"Martin Davies" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Q66jd.29816$***@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
|
| "Wotan" <***@Valhalla.net> wrote in message news:***@212.67.96.135...
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
| >
| > THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
| > UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
| > ELECTORATE !!!
|
| Link please.
|
|
|
| >
| > And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
| > across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
| >
| > NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
|
| Have you been asleep for the past 5 years?
| House prices rising, shortage of properties for 1st time buyers, and
the
| plan announced over 3 years ago to build 10 million new houses by
2020.
| Did you miss that one? Whatever are your daily briefers doing,
missing
| something like that?
| The 500,000 will just be a part of that.
|
| Or do you think that 1st time buyers should never get on the
property
| ladder?
|
| Plenty of houses available - though the ability of existing home
owners to
| remortgage and use the proceeds to buy a 2nd (or 3rd) house to rent
out has
| been known for some time.
| Which helped drive prices up.
|
|
|
| >
| > Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
| > and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
| > property speculators and house builders.
|
| In secret?
| There was public consultation, indeed public demand for the
government to do
| something years ago.
|
| Your conspiracy theories don't hold much if its simply because you
didn't
| pay attention to the news.
| Things set up in secret don't usually end up on broadcast voicemail
and
| local news.
|
|
| In reality, it
| > is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
| > defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
| > control over it whatsoever.
|
| Only in your imagination.

Your remarks are so idiotic and sycophantically pro-Blair,
pro-EU quisling criminal, pro Marxist police state, as to
deserve no response whatsoever.

By electing a government we DO NOT empower the
politicians to do exactly as they then bloody well please.

And MOST PARTICULARLY we DO NOT empower
them to subvert democracy itself, thereby removing from
themselves and our property from our control - and we
do not empower them to act on behalf of illegal foreign
organisations in contempt of ourselves.

NOW IS THAT CRYSTAL BLOODY CLEAR ?!
Martin Davies
2004-11-07 10:35:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wotan
|
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
| >
| > THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
| > UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
| > ELECTORATE !!!
|
| Link please.
|
|
|
| >
| > And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
| > across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
| >
| > NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
|
| Have you been asleep for the past 5 years?
| House prices rising, shortage of properties for 1st time buyers, and
the
| plan announced over 3 years ago to build 10 million new houses by
2020.
| Did you miss that one? Whatever are your daily briefers doing,
missing
| something like that?
| The 500,000 will just be a part of that.
|
| Or do you think that 1st time buyers should never get on the
property
| ladder?
|
| Plenty of houses available - though the ability of existing home
owners to
| remortgage and use the proceeds to buy a 2nd (or 3rd) house to rent
out has
| been known for some time.
| Which helped drive prices up.
|
|
|
| >
| > Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
| > and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
| > property speculators and house builders.
|
| In secret?
| There was public consultation, indeed public demand for the
government to do
| something years ago.
|
| Your conspiracy theories don't hold much if its simply because you
didn't
| pay attention to the news.
| Things set up in secret don't usually end up on broadcast voicemail
and
| local news.
|
|
| In reality, it
| > is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
| > defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
| > control over it whatsoever.
|
| Only in your imagination.
Your remarks are so idiotic and sycophantically pro-Blair,
pro-EU quisling criminal, pro Marxist police state, as to
deserve no response whatsoever.
And your childish response by name calling shows how you think when people
don't agree with you.
Oh, and your Marxism fetish is showing again.

My remarks are also true.
Post by Wotan
By electing a government we DO NOT empower the
politicians to do exactly as they then bloody well please.
No, they have to have sufficient support in both Houses to get things
passed, but then they can do exactly what they have said.
Its called democracy. You may not like it, but its what we have.

If parliament creates a bill, and passes it - then the Lords pass it too,
then regardless of your wishes it will be implemented.
Post by Wotan
And MOST PARTICULARLY we DO NOT empower
them to subvert democracy itself,
More conspiracy theory.
Proof of their subvertion attempts please.



thereby removing from
Post by Wotan
themselves and our property from our control
When have you ever controlled them except at election time?
As for property - you have as much control over that as you have had in the
last few years. You buy a property, you can make many changes to it.
Others canot afford property.


- and we
Post by Wotan
do not empower them to act on behalf of illegal foreign
organisations in contempt of ourselves.
What illegal foreign organisations are you on about?
Can't be the EU - we have already been over how legal that is. Can't be the
UN or NATO - again, just as legal.

So what are you on about? Something in your fantsy world?
Post by Wotan
NOW IS THAT CRYSTAL BLOODY CLEAR ?!
No, you lie and smokescreen enough so that you make posts very unclear.
What illegal organisation are you talking about?

Martin <><
Malcolm
2004-11-07 21:45:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wotan
|
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
| >
| > THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
| > UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
| > ELECTORATE !!!
|
| Link please.
|
|
|
| >
| > And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
| > across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
| >
| > NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
|
| Have you been asleep for the past 5 years?
| House prices rising, shortage of properties for 1st time buyers, and
the
| plan announced over 3 years ago to build 10 million new houses by
2020.
| Did you miss that one? Whatever are your daily briefers doing,
missing
| something like that?
| The 500,000 will just be a part of that.
|
| Or do you think that 1st time buyers should never get on the
property
| ladder?
|
| Plenty of houses available - though the ability of existing home
owners to
| remortgage and use the proceeds to buy a 2nd (or 3rd) house to rent
out has
| been known for some time.
| Which helped drive prices up.
|
|
|
| >
| > Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
| > and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
| > property speculators and house builders.
|
| In secret?
| There was public consultation, indeed public demand for the
government to do
| something years ago.
|
| Your conspiracy theories don't hold much if its simply because you
didn't
| pay attention to the news.
| Things set up in secret don't usually end up on broadcast voicemail
and
| local news.
|
|
| In reality, it
| > is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
| > defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
| > control over it whatsoever.
|
| Only in your imagination.
Your remarks are so idiotic and sycophantically pro-Blair,
pro-EU quisling criminal, pro Marxist police state, as to
deserve no response whatsoever.
Yet you are responding. Why?
Post by Wotan
By electing a government we DO NOT empower the
politicians to do exactly as they then bloody well please.
Err, yes we do, actually. How long did you say you have lived in this
country? It does sometimes appear as if you are a recent immigrant - or
live on a different planet, of course.
Post by Wotan
And MOST PARTICULARLY we DO NOT empower
them to subvert democracy itself, thereby removing from
themselves and our property from our control - and we
do not empower them to act on behalf of illegal foreign
organisations in contempt of ourselves.
Well, that's OK, because no UK government has ever done that. Your
claims to the contrary are merely ludicrous, like everything else you
write. There is no "illegal foreign organisation" that the UK government
is acting on behalf of. If you recall, you have been asked for evidence
for this and have so far, and unsurprisingly, failed to produce any.
Post by Wotan
NOW IS THAT CRYSTAL BLOODY CLEAR ?!
Shouting and swearing merely reveal that you are indulging in childish
tantrums.
--
Malcolm
RaZe
2004-11-06 17:16:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wotan
The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
own area, by 78%.
I didn't hear that on the news, Is it related to the presedetial
election ?
Post by Wotan
BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
He dosn't need to, he's the all mighty Blair's (humble in his name)
deputy ruler.
Post by Wotan
THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
ELECTORATE !!!
ROTFL, REFERENDUM, What the fuck do you think this is, a democracy ???
Post by Wotan
And it has just authorised his plan to build 500,000 houses
across rural England between Stanstead and Peterborough !!!
About fucking time I desparately need to buy a home and am getting fed
up waiting for these over inflated house prices to come down to an
affordable level.
Post by Wotan
NOW WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM ?
Let me guess...
Post by Wotan
Well, it seems that it was set up in secret by Prescott
and stuffed with his cronies to advance the interests of
property speculators and house builders. In reality, it
is a totally illegal and unelected quango, set up in open
defiance and contempt of the electorate, who have no
control over it whatsoever.
Of course not, that would require a democracy...
Post by Wotan
It is clearly a completely illegal assembly which has
no authority to do anything at all. And does not
even have the authority of the electorate to exist !
No problem, Heir Blair (humble be his name) will just change the law...
Post by Wotan
But behind it, of course, is the evil hand of our enemies
in the "EU".
Ah.. The Evil EU crime syndicate and thier 'quizlings'....
Post by Wotan
Meeting in Southend, a town which has earned a
reputation for meetings held in secret (itself illegal)
yesterday it approved Prescott's plan to concrete
over rural England with half a million new houses.
I didn't know about that, Oh, stupid me I wouldn't have would I, because
its a secret...
Post by Wotan
None of which are needed.
Please see earlier post about desparate need of housing...

Or would not be if
Post by Wotan
it were not for the half million immigrants that have
been dumped on this country by Blair and his Marxists
as part of their "project" of ethnocide by mass
immigration.
Of course its all the fault of the immigrants, nothing whatsoever to do
with hyper inflation of the housing market.
Post by Wotan
Meanwhile, 200,000 English people gave up and
moved abroad last year alone, in the largest mass
emigration ever seen and the most catastrophic brain
drain Britain has ever suffered.
Would you stay in this shit-hole given half a choice ?
Post by Wotan
Simple isn't it ? 200,000 hostile voters leave the
county, and he ships in 500,000 labour voters in the
largest act of gerrymandering ever perpetrated against
the British electorate.
Of course and he used his own mony to charter the boats that bought them
here, or did the Evil EU crime syndicate pay it for him.
Post by Wotan
Friends of the Earth and the Campaign to Protect
Rural England are livid !
FUCK RURAL ENGLAND, I NEED A HOME FOR ME AND MY DAUGHTER.


But why is it left to
Post by Wotan
campaigns to defend the rights of the electorate to
decide on such matters, when the crooks making
these decisions are running a completely illegal
organisation outside the control of the electorate -
and largely even unknown to the electorate ?
If they are so illegal the report it to your local constabulary. Report
back here when you have done so.
Post by Wotan
The chair creature in charge of this criminal and
illegal organisation, one Sue Sida-Lockett,
Sounds like something out of 'star Wars'.....
Post by Wotan
stressed
that there would be "public consultation". Ha,
fucking, HA !
And just which "members of the public" will be
"consulted" one wonders ? Members of the
property racketeering and building community by
any chance ? Or Blair's Nu Labour crooks ?
I cannot see that 25 years in the slammer for this
subversion of the authority of the electorate and,
therefore, of our nation state, is by any means
excessive.
It won't happen under Blair's filthy little government
of Marxist traitors and racketeers,
Who the fuck said Nu Labour was Marxists, I very much doubt that Karl
would approve of their ideology.
Post by Wotan
but governments
change and the authority of the people WILL be
enforced.
What authority ? You keep making it sound like we live in a democracy.
Post by Wotan
VIGOROUSLY !
Really, and where are you going to find these vigourous people on this
island of 60 million sheep.



RaZe (totally pissed of because I got paid yesterday for a months hard
work, and after paying council tax, road tax, Rent, tv tax, and a couple
of others now have to go hungry, quite literally, for three weeks).
Wotan
2004-11-07 02:50:47 UTC
Permalink
"RaZe" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@hotmail.com...
|
|
| Wotan wrote:
| >
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
|
| I didn't hear that on the news, Is it related to the presedetial
| election ?
|
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
|
| He dosn't need to, he's the all mighty Blair's (humble in his name)
| deputy ruler.
|
| >
| > THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
| > UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
| > ELECTORATE !!!
|
| ROTFL, REFERENDUM, What the fuck do you think
| this is, a democracy ???

No, Raze, I do NOT think we live in a democracy. I think
we live in a "spivocracy" where the will of and interests of the
electorate is treated with open contempt and defiance by
a gang of out of control bought-and-paid for crooks, with
their snouts in the Brussels trough.

I have snipped some of your post below for brevity, but
the points you raise are valid and deserve a reply.


| > Friends of the Earth and the Campaign to Protect
| > Rural England are livid !
|
| FUCK RURAL ENGLAND, I NEED A HOME FOR ME
| AND MY DAUGHTER.

You are not alone. My own eldest daughter is in the
same trap, together with the children of most people of
my generation.

BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY NO SHORTAGE OF
PROPERTY WHATSOEVER !

The native population is actually falling - not rising.

What has happened is that it has been priced out of the
reach of most ordinary people, including even the children
of the fairly well to do !

And that is perfectly straight forward market manipulation
- driven by the money lenders with the political support
of Blair and his racketeers.

Why ? It is one of the a less well understood aspects
of Blair's Marxist "social engineering", which has the
effect of driving the hard working middle classes (like
yourself) into proverty and despair. The 50+ plus
stealth taxes imposed by Brown over the last 7 years
(which the likes of you and me pay - but others do
not) is another aspect of that persecution.

It is NOT, despite all appearances, a matter of supply
and demand. That has been politically skewed to
increase house prices for the benefit of the property
racketeers who paid for Blair's election.

Increased house prices also serve to mask the house
of cards that is the real economy, which has been gutted
by the "EU" and Blair's racketeers, which would otherwise
collapse in a heap.

The solutions ? They are simple enough. But nothing
can be done until Blair and his government of malicious
racketeers are utterly expunged from the nation - and his
crooks are cleared out from our civil service and other
national institutions.

Who to vote for to bring this about ? God knows !
The fake Tories are not to be trusted - and the so-called
Lib/Dems would be a bloody disaster.

That leaves UKIP, the BNP or the Green Party. Take
your pick. But I don't see any other alternatives. I
really do not. Short of civil war or military coup.

| But why is it left to
| > campaigns to defend the rights of the electorate to
| > decide on such matters, when the crooks making
| > these decisions are running a completely illegal
| > organisation outside the control of the electorate -
| > and largely even unknown to the electorate ?
|
| If they are so illegal the report it to your local constabulary.
Report
| back here when you have done so.

And what the hell do you think our "politically re-educated"
police are going to do about it ?

They are terrified of being being labelled "racist" and
having their careers cut short, or worse, facing jail -
and are under the control of Blair's Marxist placemen,
who he has put into the jobs of "Chief Constables" across
the UK.

Here in Essex we have a creep who is clearly only
concerned with the phoney crime of "racism" and
could not give a flying fuck in hell about real crime.

You should see his web site ! It is like an advert
for Nu Labour and their agenda of ethnocide by
mass immigration and forced racial integration. It
drips with threats and intimidation !

He is despised by his own policemen, as are most
of the political placemen who have turned our police
force into agencies of political repression and
subversion.


| > The chair creature in charge of this criminal and
| > illegal organisation, one Sue Sida-Lockett,
|
| Sounds like something out of 'star Wars'.....
|
| > stressed
| > that there would be "public consultation". Ha,
| > fucking, HA !
| >
| > And just which "members of the public" will be
| > "consulted" one wonders ? Members of the
| > property racketeering and building community by
| > any chance ? Or Blair's Nu Labour crooks ?
| >
| > I cannot see that 25 years in the slammer for this
| > subversion of the authority of the electorate and,
| > therefore, of our nation state, is by any means
| > excessive.
| >
| > It won't happen under Blair's filthy little government
| > of Marxist traitors and racketeers,
|
| Who the fuck said Nu Labour was Marxists, I very much doubt that
Karl
| would approve of their ideology.
|
| > but governments
| > change and the authority of the people WILL be
| > enforced.
|
| What authority ? You keep making it sound like we live in a
democracy.
|
| > VIGOROUSLY !
|
| Really, and where are you going to find these vigourous people on
this
| island of 60 million sheep.

Well, for a start, YOU don't sound much like a sheep
to me ! And I have news for you Raze, you are in
the majority. Not the minority.


| RaZe (totally pissed of because I got paid yesterday for a months
hard
| work, and after paying council tax, road tax, Rent, tv tax, and a
couple
| of others now have to go hungry, quite literally, for three weeks).

It is perhaps worth remembering that the "EU" costs you
£20 every week on your food shopping bill - and that is
at the root of most of the misery of the people of Britain
trying to get along with their lives.

You are not alone. In reality, you are in the majority of
people in this country. I have the deepest sympathy for
people like you who clearly work hard, pay their taxes and
then get pissed over by criminal filth, who so manipulate
our lives with their "social engineering" that we become
serfs with little or no hope of escape from poverty, whilst
this Blairite government of racketeering Marxist gutter filth
glut themselves on the money they have stolen from us,
the people.

These criminals clearly belong behind bars - and we have
every intention of seeing them there.

Indeed, there is a "glittering stainless steel" determination
to see them there amongst a sufficient number of
people to ensure that is exactly what happens.
Martin Davies
2004-11-07 10:55:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wotan
|
|
| >
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
|
| I didn't hear that on the news, Is it related to the presedetial
| election ?
|
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
|
| He dosn't need to, he's the all mighty Blair's (humble in his name)
| deputy ruler.
|
| >
| > THERE WAS NO REFERENDUM - HE JUST SET IT
| > UP IN OPEN DEFIANCE AND CONTEMPT OF THE
| > ELECTORATE !!!
|
| ROTFL, REFERENDUM, What the fuck do you think
| this is, a democracy ???
No, Raze, I do NOT think we live in a democracy. I think
we live in a "spivocracy" where the will of and interests of the
electorate is treated with open contempt and defiance by
a gang of out of control bought-and-paid for crooks, with
their snouts in the Brussels trough.
I have snipped some of your post below for brevity, but
the points you raise are valid and deserve a reply.
| > Friends of the Earth and the Campaign to Protect
| > Rural England are livid !
|
| FUCK RURAL ENGLAND, I NEED A HOME FOR ME
| AND MY DAUGHTER.
You are not alone. My own eldest daughter is in the
same trap, together with the children of most people of
my generation.
BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY NO SHORTAGE OF
PROPERTY WHATSOEVER !
The native population is actually falling - not rising.
What has happened is that it has been priced out of the
reach of most ordinary people, including even the children
of the fairly well to do !
So you agree there is a shortage of property!
The property that your daughter, among others, can afford.

Or are you planning on cutting property prices for everyone by 75%?

Seems like the only two options are to build more housing thats cheap
enough, or to cut property prices massively. Which has the smaller adverse
effect on the economy? Answers on a postcard please.
Post by Wotan
And that is perfectly straight forward market manipulation
- driven by the money lenders with the political support
of Blair and his racketeers.
Driven by the moneylenders now is it? Just yesterday you were saying it was
someone else.

And how exactly do these moneylenders affect house prices?
Post by Wotan
Why ? It is one of the a less well understood aspects
of Blair's Marxist "social engineering", which has the
effect of driving the hard working middle classes (like
yourself) into proverty and despair.
LOL.
You really can be funny at times.



The 50+ plus
Post by Wotan
stealth taxes imposed by Brown over the last 7 years
(which the likes of you and me pay - but others do
not) is another aspect of that persecution.
The majority of people do pay those taxes- if it applies to them.
Post by Wotan
It is NOT, despite all appearances, a matter of supply
and demand.
Really?
So the supply of cheap housing and the sheer demand has no impact on the
price? When are you selling yours for £40K?


That has been politically skewed to
Post by Wotan
increase house prices for the benefit of the property
racketeers who paid for Blair's election.
Ah, so now its not moneylenders, its property racketeers?

Note to others - for property racketeers, read "those who invested in 2nd
or 3rd property to rent out".
Post by Wotan
Increased house prices also serve to mask the house
of cards that is the real economy, which has been gutted
by the "EU" and Blair's racketeers, which would otherwise
collapse in a heap.
Funny how you were talking about what a great guy Gordon Brown was during
the Labour conference, how he was good for this country.
Changed your mind? Or just applying another of your fetishes?
Post by Wotan
The solutions ? They are simple enough. But nothing
can be done until Blair and his government of malicious
racketeers are utterly expunged from the nation - and his
crooks are cleared out from our civil service and other
national institutions.
So what solution is simple?
And when are you getting into power to remove Blair and his government?
Based on last by-election, Labour will remain in power at next election. The
support for his party can of course change - up or down.
Post by Wotan
Who to vote for to bring this about ? God knows !
The fake Tories are not to be trusted - and the so-called
Lib/Dems would be a bloody disaster.
Getting a new MP in your area are you?
Post by Wotan
That leaves UKIP, the BNP or the Green Party. Take
your pick. But I don't see any other alternatives. I
really do not. Short of civil war or military coup.
Ah, not promoting treasonous behaviour this time, thats good.
As for giving people a choice of those 3 parties, nice to see you spreading
the vote out a bit.
Post by Wotan
| But why is it left to
| > campaigns to defend the rights of the electorate to
| > decide on such matters, when the crooks making
| > these decisions are running a completely illegal
| > organisation outside the control of the electorate -
| > and largely even unknown to the electorate ?
|
| If they are so illegal the report it to your local constabulary.
Report
| back here when you have done so.
And what the hell do you think our "politically re-educated"
police are going to do about it ?
Prove to them a law has been broken (hint - take details of the law with
you), and at the very least they would have to listen.
Post by Wotan
They are terrified of being being labelled "racist" and
having their careers cut short,
Probably because some of the have been labelled "racist" and had careers cut
short.



or worse, facing jail -
Post by Wotan
and are under the control of Blair's Marxist placemen,
who he has put into the jobs of "Chief Constables" across
the UK.
Ah, the Marxism fetish comes into play again.
Post by Wotan
Here in Essex we have a creep who is clearly only
concerned with the phoney crime of "racism" and
could not give a flying fuck in hell about real crime.
Is racism a phony crime?
Perhaps the racists don't have something to fear then.

Here on the edge of the Black Country, racism is considered a crime. There
have been killings over it.
Post by Wotan
You should see his web site ! It is like an advert
for Nu Labour and their agenda of ethnocide by
mass immigration and forced racial integration. It
drips with threats and intimidation !
You'd prefer racial segregation? How'd that work out in South Africa?
Post by Wotan
He is despised by his own policemen, as are most
of the political placemen who have turned our police
force into agencies of political repression and
subversion.
Your force may be an agency of political repression and subversion.
Move up here then - our local forces are pretty good.
Post by Wotan
| > The chair creature in charge of this criminal and
| > illegal organisation, one Sue Sida-Lockett,
|
| Sounds like something out of 'star Wars'.....
|
| > stressed
| > that there would be "public consultation". Ha,
| > fucking, HA !
| >
| > And just which "members of the public" will be
| > "consulted" one wonders ? Members of the
| > property racketeering and building community by
| > any chance ? Or Blair's Nu Labour crooks ?
| >
| > I cannot see that 25 years in the slammer for this
| > subversion of the authority of the electorate and,
| > therefore, of our nation state, is by any means
| > excessive.
| >
| > It won't happen under Blair's filthy little government
| > of Marxist traitors and racketeers,
|
| Who the fuck said Nu Labour was Marxists, I very much doubt that
Karl
| would approve of their ideology.
|
| > but governments
| > change and the authority of the people WILL be
| > enforced.
|
| What authority ? You keep making it sound like we live in a
democracy.
|
| > VIGOROUSLY !
|
| Really, and where are you going to find these vigourous people on
this
| island of 60 million sheep.
Well, for a start, YOU don't sound much like a sheep
to me ! And I have news for you Raze, you are in
the majority. Not the minority.
| RaZe (totally pissed of because I got paid yesterday for a months
hard
| work, and after paying council tax, road tax, Rent, tv tax, and a
couple
| of others now have to go hungry, quite literally, for three weeks).
It is perhaps worth remembering that the "EU" costs you
£20 every week on your food shopping bill - and that is
at the root of most of the misery of the people of Britain
trying to get along with their lives.
Really?
Gosh - how is it costing us £20 a week on food shopping bill?

Or have you got the British government and the EU mixed up again?
Or maybe you should stop shopping at expensive places.
Post by Wotan
You are not alone. In reality, you are in the majority of
people in this country. I have the deepest sympathy for
people like you who clearly work hard, pay their taxes and
then get pissed over by criminal filth, who so manipulate
our lives with their "social engineering" that we become
serfs with little or no hope of escape from poverty, whilst
this Blairite government of racketeering Marxist gutter filth
glut themselves on the money they have stolen from us,
the people.
Marxism fetish again?
Post by Wotan
These criminals clearly belong behind bars - and we have
every intention of seeing them there.
Only if they actually committed a crime.
First, prove what law has been broken. Or create your own law when you get
into power.
Post by Wotan
Indeed, there is a "glittering stainless steel" determination
to see them there amongst a sufficient number of
people to ensure that is exactly what happens.
Oh good - all 5 of you?

Martin <><
Wotan
2004-11-07 19:41:14 UTC
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"Martin Davies" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:0bnjd.2107$***@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
|
| "Wotan" <***@Valhalla.net> wrote in message
|| >
| > BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY NO SHORTAGE OF
| > PROPERTY WHATSOEVER !
| >
| > The native population is actually falling - not rising.
| >
| > What has happened is that it has been priced out of the
| > reach of most ordinary people, including even the children
| > of the fairly well to do !
|
| So you agree there is a shortage of property!


No. I have said clearly and unambiguoulsy that there
is no shortage of housing stock. And there is not.

But the run away prices have been inflated by the money
lenders, who you are so keen to defend in another post
in this thread.


| The property that your daughter, among others, can afford.
|
| Or are you planning on cutting property prices for everyone by 75%?
|
| Seems like the only two options are to build more housing thats
cheap
| enough, or to cut property prices massively. Which has the smaller
adverse
| effect on the economy? Answers on a postcard please.


You have the economic comprehension of every typical
Marxist idiot I ever met or heard of.

Which is to say the economic sense of a dead slug.

Creating more houses when there is no shortage is the
sort of Marxist state lunacy which we would expect
from you and your idiot "politburo" morons !

Flood the market with money, and prices go up. And
that is exactly what Blair and his money lending crooks
have done.

Restrict the money supply and prices fall.

It isn't bloody rocket science !
Martin Davies
2004-11-07 20:46:58 UTC
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Post by Wotan
|
|| >
| > BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY NO SHORTAGE OF
| > PROPERTY WHATSOEVER !
| >
| > The native population is actually falling - not rising.
| >
| > What has happened is that it has been priced out of the
| > reach of most ordinary people, including even the children
| > of the fairly well to do !
|
| So you agree there is a shortage of property!
No. I have said clearly and unambiguoulsy that there
is no shortage of housing stock. And there is not.
Yet your own daughter is in the same boat as RaZe.
Needing a home.
Post by Wotan
But the run away prices have been inflated by the money
lenders, who you are so keen to defend in another post
in this thread.
You claimed just a few posts ago that it was the builders. Make your mind
up.
And who defended the moneylenders? I asked if it was them.

The run away prices have a solution - a price crash.
No more run away prices.

I would expect one to happen certainly in the next few years.
Post by Wotan
| The property that your daughter, among others, can afford.
|
| Or are you planning on cutting property prices for everyone by 75%?
|
| Seems like the only two options are to build more housing thats
cheap
| enough, or to cut property prices massively. Which has the smaller
adverse
| effect on the economy? Answers on a postcard please.
You have the economic comprehension of every typical
Marxist idiot I ever met or heard of.
Marxism fetish once again.

I also have very good economic comprehension, I live in the real world not
your fantasy world.
Post by Wotan
Which is to say the economic sense of a dead slug.
Must be some very intelligent slugs then.
Like you, I run my own business in this economy.

Your postings about the economy show that you need to stop reading the Beano
for financial knowledge.
Try www.fool.co.uk
One of the better websites for good information and discussion with others.
Sack your briefers.
Post by Wotan
Creating more houses when there is no shortage is the
sort of Marxist state lunacy which we would expect
from you and your idiot "politburo" morons !
Yet the houses are needed.
The population today isn't the same as it was 30 years ago. As you yourself
pointed out, 200,000 people leaving and 500,000 people arriving.
In your own area, you have stated prices start at £500K. So either you need
to knock house prices down to 20% of current levels at least, or else build
more so there isn't a scarcity of 2 up 2 downs.
Post by Wotan
Flood the market with money, and prices go up.
Flood the market with houses, and the prices don't go up.


And
Post by Wotan
that is exactly what Blair and his money lending crooks
have done.
LOL.
You show you have no idea about finances or the ecomomy.
Tell me, do you see all lenders as crooks?
Post by Wotan
Restrict the money supply and prices fall.
You think?
So all the times they have increased fuel tax and duty in the budget, year
on year, prices for everything have fallen?
The time the mortgage interest rate doubled in the early 90s, the price of
goods went down?
When council tax started to increase by double digit percentages in recent
years - the price of goods went down?

No, of course not.
Because you know nothing about economics in the real world.

You might run your fantasy world that way, but here in Britain our economy
works quite a bit different.
Restricting the money supply means consumers have less to spend, which has a
knock on effect on inflation. Its one of the few ways of controlling
inflation. Whereas prices falling is deflation, which isn't necessarily good
for the economy.

Martin <><
Post by Wotan
It isn't bloody rocket science !
Jackie Mulheron
2004-11-06 18:56:20 UTC
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Post by Wotan
The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
own area, by 78%.
BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
You only just heard about that? Where have you been?
John of Aix
2004-11-06 22:48:20 UTC
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Post by Jackie Mulheron
Post by Wotan
The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
own area, by 78%.
BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
- WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
You only just heard about that? Where have you been?
Why at serious political briefings (down the pub) of course.
Wotan
2004-11-07 03:00:17 UTC
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"John of Aix" <***@nospamlibertysurf.fr> wrote in message news:418d5ed4$0$15926$***@news.wanadoo.fr...
| Jackie Mulheron wrote:
| > You only just heard about that? Where have you been?
|
| Why at serious political briefings (down the pub) of course.

I do not drink.
Malcolm
2004-11-07 21:47:17 UTC
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Post by Wotan
| > You only just heard about that? Where have you been?
|
| Why at serious political briefings (down the pub) of course.
I do not drink.
You mean you write your crap when you are sober..........??????

Oh dear, you're a far worse case than I supposed.
--
Malcolm
Wotan
2004-11-07 02:58:20 UTC
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"Jackie Mulheron" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:***@uni-berlin.de...
|
| "Wotan" <***@Valhalla.net> wrote in message news:***@212.67.96.135...
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
|
| You only just heard about that? Where have you been?

Fighting the bloody "EU" at national and international
level.

It is a pity that we could not rely on the local politicos
to have killed this one off without us having to look at
it several years after the event !

But in a nation run by a criminal Marxist dictator - with
his agenda dictated by Brussels and an open contempt
for his own electorate - and prepared to criminally and
insolently exceed his own authority - they may have
faced a difficult task.

The electorate, the only one asked, in the N.E have
spoken - loud and clear.

These illegal assemblies clearly have no authority to
exist - so they must be closed down and action taken
to see how many of those involve can be put behind
bars for treason and subversion. To say nothing
of racketeering.
Wotan
2004-11-07 01:36:42 UTC
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"DaveVH" <***@vvhhvvhh.com> wrote in message news:cmj441$ol6$***@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
| Wotan <***@Valhalla.net> wrote in message news:***@212.67.96.135...
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
|
| And there's been something called the North East Assembly for over
two years
| now. The proposed regional assembly would have gained very little
extra
| power over that already assigned to the existing assembly.
|
| It might be said the people of the north east voted to keep the
assembly
| unaccountable rather than stop it existing. Way to shoot yourself
in the
| foot.
|
| http://www.northeastassembly.gov.uk/home/
|
| So the North-East Assembly will be disbanded now that people have
voted
| against its existence? Actually no.
|
| "the North East Assembly will continue to make the case to
Government for
| more powers to come to the region in areas such as economic
development,
| skills and training and transport and identify opportunities for
more
| decisions to be made and influenced at the regional level."

Thank you for that, Dave.

THIS IS BLOODY OUTRAGEOUS !

These bloody criminals have set up totally, utterly and
unquestionably illegal assemblies to subvert the authority of
the elected County Councils and local councils !

And that is treason and racketeering. And what is more
it has been done at the behest of the "EU" and in total and
open defiance and contempt of the electorate.

It is yet another example of how Blair's Marxists have
subverted the nation from within - and full and clear
justification for slamming the bloody lot behind bars on
treason charges.
Malcolm
2004-11-07 21:50:11 UTC
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Post by Wotan
| > The voters of the N.E of England have just massively
| > rejected the setting up of a "Regional Assembly" in their
| > own area, by 78%.
| >
| > BUT PRESCOTT HAS ALREADY SET UP A
| > REGIONAL ASSEMBLY IN EASTERN ENGLAND
| > - WITHOUT ASKING THE VOTERS !!!!
|
| And there's been something called the North East Assembly for over
two years
| now. The proposed regional assembly would have gained very little
extra
| power over that already assigned to the existing assembly.
|
| It might be said the people of the north east voted to keep the
assembly
| unaccountable rather than stop it existing. Way to shoot yourself
in the
| foot.
|
| http://www.northeastassembly.gov.uk/home/
|
| So the North-East Assembly will be disbanded now that people have
voted
| against its existence? Actually no.
|
| "the North East Assembly will continue to make the case to
Government for
| more powers to come to the region in areas such as economic
development,
| skills and training and transport and identify opportunities for
more
| decisions to be made and influenced at the regional level."
Thank you for that, Dave.
THIS IS BLOODY OUTRAGEOUS !
These bloody criminals have set up totally, utterly and
unquestionably illegal assemblies
Please post your evidence that they are illegal. Come on, you keep
saying they are illegal, but this is just your say-so. Tell us which law
has been broken, or why the law under which they were set up is not a
valid law. Unless you can do that, these assemblies are perfectly legal
and your saying otherwise is just another of your frequent lies.
Post by Wotan
to subvert the authority of
the elected County Councils and local councils !
And that is treason and racketeering. And what is more
it has been done at the behest of the "EU" and in total and
open defiance and contempt of the electorate.
No it isn't. You have been given the definition of "treason" a great
many times. This is not treason. And it also isn't in either defiance or
contempt of the electorate. Remind yourself of the present government's
majority in the Commons.
Post by Wotan
It is yet another example of how Blair's Marxists have
subverted the nation from within - and full and clear
justification for slamming the bloody lot behind bars on
treason charges.
Yawnnnnnn. It is NOT treason, you ignorant little man.
--
Malcolm
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